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PPF/ Paint Adhesion
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SmallerBaller
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Apparently facebook, I know nothing, hoping someone else can provide context! Not gonna get worked up unless someone can say what is going on for sure.
The source was a PPF installer on Facebook and repositioning the PPF film during installation caused paint to delaminate -- adhesion wasn't great.
My guess is that this was somewhere lower on the bodywork where paint would be thin and potentially have less adhesion, like the bottom edge of the front bumper. Not too much other detail.
Removal of clear or even color is _always_ a risk with PPF, really have to be careful removing it. There's also the risk of adhesive being left behind.
This is very true, but usually not a problem with a good factory paint job. Resprays tend to be more problematic.
Definitely a bummer to see happen
Cachaco131
Emira Maniac
PPF and superglue was never a good idea. Bad installer 
This isn't the first time I've seen or heard about this with the Emira. Many detailers have criticized the factory paint and one even claimed it felt "tacky.. almost wet." Like it wasn't cured properly.
I swear, it's one thing after another with this car. Things I swore they couldn't get wrong... From seatbelts to windshield washers to brakes and now paint.
I swear, it's one thing after another with this car. Things I swore they couldn't get wrong... From seatbelts to windshield washers to brakes and now paint.
Nick in Sydney
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Annnnd . . . the echo chamber of negativity just starts again.I swear, it's one thing after another with this car. Things I swore they couldn't get wrong... From seatbelts to windshield washers to brakes and now paint.
Seriously...
Don't jump to conclusions. There are cars being delivered right now in the UK and to some European countries that are coming right off the end of the assembly process and into the hands of buyers, and some of those people seem to be going for PPF immediately. That's way too fast for this type of paint. It can take 30+ days for some modern paints to fully cure, and some longer than that. I personally won't be doing PPF on mine until I know it's been at least 60 days since paint.This isn't the first time I've seen or heard about this with the Emira. Many detailers have criticized the factory paint and one even claimed it felt "tacky.. almost wet." Like it wasn't cured properly.
I swear, it's one thing after another with this car. Things I swore they couldn't get wrong... From seatbelts to windshield washers to brakes and now paint.
Don’t worry they’re gonna sit at port for months
Lotus USA stated in an email that the real reason for the NA delay was that Hethel is no longer allowed to use paint baking for curing due to rising energy costs and inflation. So instead passing the cost to the customer, they decided to implement a new more natural ambient temp curing... which now requires a 90 day port side warehousing. Once that time period has expired, our cars will be released to distribution to dealers.
I'm torn. The OCD me says to wrap the entire car. The more practical side says just to wrap the sensitive areas (especially that area behind the rear tires and front bumper/Hood).
SmallerBaller
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Okay, so the theory is that someone took this to PPF too soon after factory painting. I can accept that and that would make surface level sense from my extremely limited knowledge of modern automotive paints! I am okay with waiting a couple months to PPF in order to avoid something like this happening, if that really is the situation!
Wasn't there a whole thing about being able to receive PPF from factory/ from a partner before pickup, though? You'd think if this was a potential risk, PPF from factory wouldnt have been a consideration?
Where the paint was pulled off on that Hethel Yellow car, there is a small strip of factory installed PPF directly behind the rear wheels.
I suspect the PPF installer tried to remove it to PPF the entire rear bumper and that’s what caused the paint to peel off. They probably tired to pull it off like sticky tape in cold weather without heating it first.
I suspect the PPF installer tried to remove it to PPF the entire rear bumper and that’s what caused the paint to peel off. They probably tired to pull it off like sticky tape in cold weather without heating it first.
Been having exactly the same debate with myself and have just decided full PPF + ceramic. Will post details when finalized.
I like the idea of leaving the paint longer to cure more naturally but unless you are going to garage the car and not drive it, the car will be exposed to more dirt/contamination and risk of stone chips before it gets protected. A double edged sword ?
Personally I am driving straight from Hethel to a detailer (I think using a trailer a bit to anal even for me) to get the car PPF’d. I know my car will have been ready to pick up for about 3 weeks by the time I get it and the paint obviously done well before car is finished.
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