Building momentum in (very) positive review

[Vanman1936]

Are people seeing the same trend?

Not pretending to have seen all the reviews / videos but it seems that actual owner and recent you tuber reviews are incredibly positive?

 

[Porter]

Are people seeing the same trend?

Not pretending to have seen all the reviews / videos but it seems that actual owner and recent you tuber reviews are incredibly positive?

They were almost all positive when the reviews were done by non-assholes. Unfortunately a few UK publications learned the wrong lessons from observing Clarkson, and punched up their shitty attitude and "controversial take" quotient for outrage clicks. Bad journalism.

 

[CDM1855]

They were almost all positive when the reviews were done by non-assholes. Unfortunately a few UK publications learned the wrong lessons from observing Clarkson, and punched up their shitty attitude and "controversial take" quotient for outrage clicks. Bad journalism.

It’s possible that some things were changed after the first couple of less than stellar reviews

 

[Porter]

It’s possible that some things were changed after the first couple of less than stellar reviews

I mean considering that they were driving a few knackered development prototypes in various degrees of partial construction, I'd say you're right.

But if you're suggesting that they responded to the qualified language used in the teaser reviews by making big design changes to the car, effectively "rescuing" the car's dynamics due to the brilliant feedback of driving-expert journalists, I would very much disagree.

 

[CDM1855]

I mean considering that they were driving a few knackered development prototypes in various degrees of partial construction, I'd say you're right.

But if you're suggesting that they responded to the qualified language used in the teaser reviews by making big design changes to the car, effectively "rescuing" the car's dynamics due to the brilliant feedback of driving-expert journalists, I would very much disagree.

I don’t know anything for sure

But it would surprise me if a final production car given to those earlier reviewers didn’t get a more positive response. Even Harry mentioned that the final production car he received seemed to feel better than the earlier review car

 

[lion shf]

I don’t know anything for sure

But it would surprise me if a final production car given to those earlier reviewers didn’t get a more positive response. Even Harry mentioned that the final production car he received seemed to feel better than the earlier review car

Just his run up the wet mountain in episode 5 shows the final product is nicely dialed in

 

[Porter]

I don’t know anything for sure

But it would surprise me if a final production car given to those earlier reviewers didn’t get a more positive response. Even Harry mentioned that the final production car he received seemed to feel better than the earlier review car

No question! That's absolutely how development works. I'm just saying that they certainly didn't improve the car based on journalist feedback. People are just experiencing the car at earlier and later stages in development.

The tough part about automotive development processes is that it's very ineffective to just tinker on the car until it feels right and then try to work backwards. They make intentional design and configuration decisions at the start of a chain of dev production, that get implemented iteratively on successive development cars so they can be compared with measurements in testing. Lotus is very resource constrained, so my guess is that they made some retired development cars available to the journalists to be able to check that necessary marketing box without disrupting their existing (and extremely time critical) development flow.

 

[lion shf]

No question! That's absolutely how development works. I'm just saying that they certainly didn't improve the car based on journalist feedback. People are just experiencing the car at earlier and later stages in development.

The tough part about automotive development processes is that it's very ineffective to just tinker on the car until it feels right and then try to work backwards. They make intentional design and configuration decisions at the start of a chain of dev production, that get implemented iteratively on successive development cars so they can be compared with measurements in testing. Lotus is very resource constrained, so my guess is that they made some retired development cars available to the journalists to be able to check that necessary marketing box without disrupting their existing (and extremely time critical) development flow.

So waiting 2 years to buy is smart, no?

 

[Porter]

So waiting 2 years to buy is smart, no?

Considering the amount of time between our US deposits around Goodwood '21 and the expected initial delivery, no. I think the thing will be pretty well sorted by the time it gets here.

 

[Lotus64]

Truth is people are haters and like to be negative. It's unfathomable that anyone who enjoys driving wouldn't have a blast behind the wheel of an Emira. Not the type of person who's judgement you can trust...

 

[NicolasB]

Truth is people are haters and like to be negative. It's unfathomable that anyone who enjoys driving wouldn't have a blast behind the wheel of an Emira. Not the type of person who's judgement you can trust...

Amazing to believe some people love a filet mignon, but hate lobster. Cannot imagine how anyone could enjoy Heineken beer, but say that they hate Guinness.

You are very close-minded and a bit insecure. Just because everyone doesn't gush and act a fanboy like you, doesn't mean it has to hurt your feelings, to the point of not being able to trust someone's judgement. I mean, why do you care about the opinions of random people on the Internet? If you love it great! You probably totally love your wife/girlfriend, I might think she's a trainwreck with no taste. Not everyone likes the same things, or has had the same experiences; that would make the world very dull. I cannot fathom buying a Mopar product, but you apparently love yours. So from now on maybe try to not get your panties in a wad so easily?

 

[NicolasB]

On another note, I loved the Throttle House review and appreciate their opinions with cars. Makes me wish the car had worked out for me, but it didn't, doesn't mean anyone who still buys it is wrong. Maybe the final, GT edition (if it does happen) will do it for me.

 

[lion shf]

Considering the amount of time between our US deposits around Goodwood '21 and the expected initial delivery, no. I think the thing will be pretty well sorted by the time it gets here.

I think so too, just trying to keep up happy thoughts while I stash more mod money in the gun cabinet

 

[lion shf]

On another note, I loved the Throttle House review and appreciate their opinions with cars. Makes me wish the car had worked out for me, but it didn't, doesn't mean anyone who still buys it is wrong. Maybe the final, GT edition (if it does happen) will do it for me.

When’s your caddy coming?

 

[Lotus64]

You are very close-minded and a bit insecure. Just because everyone doesn't gush and act a fanboy like you, doesn't mean it has to hurt your feelings, to the point of not being able to trust someone's judgement. I mean, why do you care about the opinions of random people on the Internet?

Only one of us sounds upset... Everyone's opinion isn't valid. As I said not everyones judgement can be trusted.

 

[NicolasB]

Only one of us sounds upset... Everyone's opinion isn't valid. As I said not everyones judgement can be trusted.

That's fine, then that means that your opinion is not valid in my viewpoint. You don't see me going around and taking every opportunity I can to complain that anybody who thinks the Emira is a good car obviously doesn't know what they're talking about, do you? Take a hint.

 

[NicolasB]

When’s your caddy coming?

I found out that they're refreshing the lineup for 24, so I postponed my order until the new ones come out. In the meantime, I have my GT350R to keep me busy once the salt is off the roads.

 

[Cachaco131]

That's fine, then that means that your opinion is not valid in my viewpoint. You don't see me going around and taking every opportunity I can to complain that anybody who thinks the Emira is a good car obviously doesn't know what they're talking about, do you? Take a hint.

Hey, remember @TomE warned us.

 

[NicolasB]

Hey, remember @TomE warned us.

Maybe his opinion is also not valid?

 

[Porter]

Only one of us sounds upset... Everyone's opinion isn't valid. As I said not everyones judgement can be trusted.

Don't mind NicolasB, he's just very grouchy. Permanent state, it seems.