Daily Driving

[Biggles of Norwich]

I know nobody likes nhtsa, however this explains exactly what my driving coach at n M3 class shared with me. Changed my mirrors 10 years ago, and blindspot literally is Gone. Needs some getting used to, like when backing in a garage, but it works, 0 blindspots……

https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/blindzoneglaremirrormethod.pdf

I can't see this working with the stock Emira mirrors. With the mirrors rotated fully outward, you still see a huge chunk of the rear of the car, particularly on the driver's side. I haven't yet sussed if there is a blind spot and if so how big it is, but it's safer to assume that there is one.

 

[brainf18]

Here's an $8 solution if anyone thinks this is a problem.

Blind Spot mirror

 

[drjazzsk]

What doesn't make any sense is (unless I am incorrect) putting many other ADAS features but the one that likely has the most impact, blind spot, omitted. Just baffles me.

 

[Biggles of Norwich]

What doesn't make any sense is (unless I am incorrect) putting many other ADAS features but the one that likely has the most impact, blind spot, omitted. Just baffles me.

I don't think there are any ADAS features on the V6 model, so for this model at least, it is not surprising that there is no blind spot detection.

 

[nimbusblack]

i daily mine and coming upto the 1yr anniversary in a month, just over 6k miles now so not huge miles. I drop it back into Tour when doing any kind or maneuvering like reversing as i find the throttle a little too spritely in Sport or Track. Ive been through some scary looking flooding recently with all the rain but as long as youre careful and take it slow its fine. I had an RS4 before it and sometimes i do miss the ease or power and 4wd that had, but then the sun comes out

 

[Robbierob]

I use my as daily driver (only on nice and dry days) and have absolutly no problems (bring my boy to the Kindergarten - 5 minutes, shopping - 10 minutes, drive to work - 20 minutes etc.). And always drive in sport mode

 

[Blackthought_]

I was looking through the Emira handbook and noticed it said cars equipped with blind spot monitoring…. Does any Emira car in the world come with blind spot monitoring?? I was surprised to see this in the official Emira manual

 

[lynchy73]

I was looking through the Emira handbook and noticed it said cars equipped with blind spot monitoring…. Does any Emira car in the world come with blind spot monitoring?? I was surprised to see this in the official Emira manual

My I4 has a warning in the mirrors for cars alongside and another warning when a car is more to the rear.

 

[drjazzsk]

My I4 has a warning in the mirrors for cars alongside and another warning when a car is more to the rear.

That’s very interesting as I think the ones coming to the US, the v6 at least, doesn’t have it. The demo I drove didn’t have it nor does the website list it. I found this to be a major oversight given its blind spots and how much the car costs. I’m hoping the MY 2025 has it.

 

[Steve24]

V6s don't have it. I’d love to know why.

Maybe it’s the same reason we don’t get nav here in Oz, despite the First Edition being promoted as having “everything”.

 

[Nova]

V6s don't have it. I’d love to know why.

Maybe it’s the same reason we don’t get nav here in Oz, despite the First Edition being promoted as having “everything”.

The ADAS package was not included with the V6 FE cars. It is on the I4 cars, I believe. It may just be that they needed more time to get that right and so this package didn't make it for inclusion in the V6 cars.

 

[Biggles of Norwich]

V6s don't have it. I’d love to know why.

Maybe it’s the same reason we don’t get nav here in Oz, despite the First Edition being promoted as having “everything”.

I recall Matt Windle (while on an LDA day last May) saying that the i4 engine package comes with the electronics for ADAS, whereas the V6 does not, and Lotus have no plans to develop ADAS just for the V6.

 

[drjazzsk]

I recall Matt Windle (while on an LDA day last May) saying that the i4 engine package comes with the electronics for ADAS, whereas the V6 does not, and Lotus have no plans to develop ADAS just for the V6.

Did he explain why? Not sure I understand what the engine has to do with the electronics of a safety system.

 

[Biggles of Norwich]

Did he explain why? Not sure I understand what the engine has to do with the electronics of a safety system.

No, but I assumed it was part of the package from Mercedes/AMG whereas with Toyota it wasn't an option. Someone on here who knows a bit about the architecture of the electronics may be able to explain it? I remember
thinking "disappointing but I can live without that" (I bought a V6 manual not long afterwards).

 

[SteveB]

Did he explain why? Not sure I understand what the engine has to do with the electronics of a safety system.

Might be more of an ECU issue than an engine issue. Presumably ADAS will need to communicate with the ECU if speed (engine power) is to be reduced in response to an imminent collision or a change of road speed limit! The ECUs are different for the V6 and i4 engines and maybe the i4 has more functionality. There certainly seem to be issues regarding tuning modifications to the V6 ECU - to the extent Jubu have developed their own!
Personally I’m glad my Emira does not have ADAS but I dont intend to do much city driving in it.

 

[drjazzsk]

Might be more of an ECU issue than an engine issue. Presumably ADAS will need to communicate with the ECU if speed (engine power) is to be reduced in response to an imminent collision or a change of road speed limit! The ECUs are different for the V6 and i4 engines and maybe the i4 has more functionality. There certainly seem to be issues regarding tuning modifications to the V6 ECU - to the extent Jubu have developed their own!
Personally I’m glad my Emira does not have ADAS but I dont intend to do much city driving in it.

As a DD it’s important to me plus any car at this price point should have these features. You can turn it off if you don’t want it. Plus given it’s a Toyota engine one would think these features exist in Toyotas. I know it’s not exactly the same but the precedent exists. Nonetheless hopefully it’s offered in future options.

 

[Porter]

I can't see this working with the stock Emira mirrors. With the mirrors rotated fully outward, you still see a huge chunk of the rear of the car, particularly on the driver's side. I haven't yet sussed if there is a blind spot and if so how big it is, but it's safer to assume that there is one.

It may be possible to shift the mirror further out in the mechanism, to change the "center" point of the mirror on the electronic positioner. I know several of my other cars have been this way, though not all.

 

[Blacksheep]

I used mine daily last summer, 10,000 miles in six months including a couple of thousand mile round trips up to Scotland. My previous car was a self driving Tesla. Didn't miss any of the tech or having to stop every 150 miles for a charge. Sport mode is the best for daily use, but touring mode makes for a pretty peaceful cruise up the motorway.

 

[HT25]

Hi Everyone,

(sorry in advance for long message)

I am enjoying reading this thread. However I am in a slight predicament.

I am in a fortunate enough position to be in with a choice of choosing an Emira (v6 Manual) or a 718 GT4, I currently drive a Toyota Supra 3ltr auto. I am 25 years old and only really planning having either car for 2-4years before having a baby with my soon to be wife. I drive a lot I must say - a good 200 miles a week. I love driving but I do encounter quite a lot of traffic but I want to be able to experience/have had a thoroughbred sports car before the years of children.

I love the look of the Emira with its 'Supercar' looks and the Porsche is just a Porsche, they're amazing!

I am concerned about the size of the Emiras boot space and depreciation value.

With the Porsche I am concerned about the harshness of the drive and the long gear ratios.

If anyone can help sway me in a direction that would be fantastic.

 

[Sandalwood]

Hi Everyone,

(sorry in advance for long message)

I am enjoying reading this thread. However I am in a slight predicament.

I am in a fortunate enough position to be in with a choice of choosing an Emira (v6 Manual) or a 718 GT4, I currently drive a Toyota Supra 3ltr auto. I am 25 years old and only really planning having either car for 2-4years before having a baby with my soon to be wife. I drive a lot I must say - a good 200 miles a week. I love driving but I do encounter quite a lot of traffic but I want to be able to experience/have had a thoroughbred sports car before the years of children.

I love the look of the Emira with its 'Supercar' looks and the Porsche is just a Porsche, they're amazing!

I am concerned about the size of the Emiras boot space and depreciation value.

With the Porsche I am concerned about the harshness of the drive and the long gear ratios.

If anyone can help sway me in a direction that would be fantastic.

I was wondering how in the world 200 miles a week is a lot of driving, then I noticed your location. I still forget how different our countries are in that regard.

On to the main point: I think you have pretty much nailed the differences here. Lotus depreciation, in my experience, is certainly present for about 5 years and then stabilizes. My Elise hit its bottom value around then and stayed stable until it was about 15 years old, then the value started climbing again. I haven't owned an Evora, so I can't really speak to that depreciation, but they seem to have done fairly well from what I have seen in the second-hand market. Porsches are available in FAR greater quantities so their results are more known, and their GT cars are, naturally, much flatter on the depreciation curve. A better match-up to the Emira is the 718 Cayman GTS 4.0. The GT4 gets more into the track-weapon range and gives up quite a bit of comfort. I have driven one and felt it too harsh for normal driving.

Emiras are surprisingly roomy inside. I found the 718 to feel much more snug. The boot is just part of the overall cargo area.

The 718 is a better "car" in terms of livability -- except, again, I think you're looking at the wrong 718. The GT4 is rather harsh. Everyday Driver's resident Porschephile and 718 GTS 4.0 owner said he preferred the Emira but agreed they're also not so different.

I would say drive them both and then buy the one that you can't stop thinking about.