Tariffs on Emira in US?

[Tomwa]

I'm guessing there is a good chance some of those cars were a bit rushed, but I'm hoping as many people as possible got their orders and I'm truly sorry for anyone who has a car coming that didn't get on that boat.

As others have indicated, dealerships will basically be informing those folks their car was impacted by tariffs and they can't get the car at any previously agreed pricing. Which will allow you to back out without any penalty or lost money.

It's going to be a bumpy ride

 

[RoryBellows]

I'm not sure the cars were rushed. It takes time to load a container ship and its not a one day sail across the Atlantic. This was an on time normal delivery. There's no way the cars on this last boat were made since the tariff announcement. These cars were probably already at the port by the time that announcement was made.

 

[Lotus64]

@Eagle7 , I appreciate you exposing yourself, yet it would be nice if other voices aren't drowned out out by your constant, lengthy politically charged replies.

Back on topic,

Regarding tariffs, reports from Chinese state media indicate China, South Korea and Japan are putting out a joint statement in response to American tariffs.

It's not smart to alienate our former closest allies so much that they form alliances with countries that they not only dislike, but that want to see America fail. Chinese, Japanese and Korean companies forming a coliation to isolate the US isn't going to help our industries. And tariffs impact all of the big 3 heavily due to some non us production and much content not sourced in the US.

But the fact that Geely controls lotus and is preparing a response with Japan and Korea, which include some of the biggest automakers in the world, seems more likely to harm our auto industries if we are isolated from the rest of the world. And that doesnt include the numerous other allies this administration is continuing to alienate and threaten (Ukraine, Canada, Greenland, most of Europe., etc). Not a good look that our former closest allies with extensive global reach are now working against us.

The initial report of emira being halted seemed like desperate attempt to clear inventory and was not officially from Lotus US. They will likely keep selling cars until the Tariff oficially hits and even after will try to stay afloat through absorbing what costs they can and passing the rest of the cost on as they did with FE1s / FE2s. However if and when the tarrifs hit, the Emira is certainly at risk of potentially leaving the US due to slimmer margins and being controlled by Geely who is actively working against the US. They'd be more likely to pull out of the US, emphasize other makerts and lesson ties with America and the rest of the world will follow, except Russia and north Korea, our last allies. And even if the tariffs are dropped, trust in America has been greatly diminished on a global level and won't soon recovery, if ever.

 

[EspritGuy]

@Eagle7 , I appreciate you exposing yourself, yet it would nice if other voices aren't drowned out out by your constant, lengthy politically charged replies

Back on topic,

Regarding tariffs, reports from Chinese state media indicate China, South Korea and Japan are putting out a joint statement in response to American tariffs.

It's not smart to alienate our former closest allies so much that they form alliances with countries that they not only dislike, but that want to see America fail. Chinese, Japanese and Korean companies forming a coliation to isolate the US isn't going to help our industries. And tariffs impact all of the big 3 heavily due to some non us production and much content not sourced in the US.

But the fact that Geely controls lotus and preparing a response with Japan and Korea which include some of the biggest makers it in the be world, seems it's more likely to harm our auto industries if we are isolated by the rest of the world. And that doesnt include the numerous other allies this administration is continuing alienated and threatening (Ukraine, Canada, Greenland, most of Europe., etc). Not a good look that are former closest allies with extensive global reach are working against us.

The initial report of emira being halted seemed like desperate attempt to clear inventory and was not officially from Lotus US. They will likely keep selling cars until the Tariff oficially hits and even after will try to stay afloat through absorbing what costs they can and passing the rest of the cost as they did with FE1s / FE2s. However if and when the tarrifs hit, the Emira is certainly at risk of potentially leaving the US due to slimmer margins and being controlled by Geely who is actively working against the US. They'd be more likely to pull out of the US, emphasize other makers and lesson ties with America and the rest of the world will follow, except Russia and north Korea, our last allies. And even if the tariffs are dropped, trust in America has been greatly diminished on a global level and won't soon recovery, if ever.

Interesting..... You trust Chinese state media?

 

[Lotus64]

Interesting..... You trust Chinese state media?

I research, fact check and critically think before I speak. Others could benefit from doing the same.

 

[Jump_Ace]

So, will Lotus shut down their US stores like in Bellevue, WA? Or just provide maintenance services only once their inventory is cleaned out?


Jerome

 

[Tomwa]

Lotus does not own Park Place LTD. Park Place is a certified dealer and service company in network for Lotus USA. If lotus stops selling cars it will hurt Park Place, but they won't close, and likely they'd remain a certified Lotus service center.

 

[Eagle7]

The Bible is not history. the Bible is a book(s) written thousands of years ago by men, edited by men, not a GOD. Basing our lives on interpretations from these books is bat shit crazy. In 2000 years, L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology can be gospel too.

It actually is history, and you literally have no idea what you're talking about, but that's not important now. This is not the place for that discussion.

 

[Orchardbike]

Do we have to put up with this bollox on here?

 

[Jinba ittai]

Politics, religion, who else can we piss off?

 

[idleuser]

Tariffs are inherently inflationary, acting as a hidden tax on the working class. It’s especially tough for those who dream of owning an exotic-looking car without the hefty price tag. Hopefully, this is just a temporary situation, and things will eventually improve. However, based on what we’ve seen and heard, it seems like these tariffs might be here to stay.

 

[Balboa]

Does anyone have an accurate count of how many Emiras have been imported into the US to date? Would also specifically like to know how many V6 manuals

 

[DerTheDer]

Anyone think the price is going to shoot up? What comes out April 2nd?

 

[Tomwa]

Yes the price will get adjusted upward. There's no way Lotus and the dealers eat the cost.

For those of us with Emira's in hand, it does mean the resale value will hold stronger. If, for whatever reason, Emira's keep getting made and keep getting more expensive resale values will continue to hold higher than they otherwise should. Same thing happened to the Nissan GTR, prices kept going up on new models so the older ones (after Gen1 with trans issues) really just held value. 2014/2015 was a good sweet-spot but they were still $$$ cars for how old and miles because you couldn't just turn around and buy at the dealer for 85k as they were now 125k etc.

 

[benjh1028]

You're not picking on me. I don't mind a civil conversation. Yes Trump is not playing nicely which was my point about him learning from his first term and not playing that game anymore.

The situation is far more serious than people realize because everything appears to be somewhat normal right now. The globalists have been and are trying to break the U.S. dollar as a world currency standard, so they can shift the power to the BRICS group. If you don't know who that is, BRICS is an intergovernmental organization consisting of ten countries—Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, Egypt, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Iran and the United Arab Emirates. (If you happen to be familiar with Biblical prophecy, you'll be very interested in that particular number and how it relates to a description of a statue in the Book of Daniel Chapter 2, and the Book of Revelation Chapter 13).

If the dollar collapses, we go into civil war. I don't know how the scamdemic, I mean pandemic affected you in Australia, but here in the states shelves in the supermarkets emptied immediately, but things held together because we were waiting for the huge numbers of deaths we were told were going to happen. To quote a famous line from the TV show M.A.S.H. "Nobody panic until it's absolutely necessary". If the dollar collapses and the value of people's bank accounts and stock portfolios is suddenly reduced to nothing, there will be mass panic and violence. We had something similar happen here when the stock market crashed in 1929, with people committing suicide and all kinds of trouble, but that was a different population. People then were still self reliant mostly and knew how to survive off the land. It caused hard times in the Great Depression, but people today are not like people then. Today's cream puffs would just riot in a mass panic.

Don't over-react. Keep calm, carry on. Trade involves more than what we import, it also involves what we export. This is a tactic to initiate negotiations, and that's exactly what's happening.

Thank you for commenting though, I appreciate the courage it apparently takes for someone who doesn't usually comment to make a comment on something I've said lol.

So I swore to stay out of this, but I simply have to say you have no idea what you are talking about. You tell everyone here they don’t understand or don’t realize like it’s fact. All you are spouting is disproven conspiracy theories. And yes, I DO work in economics and finance and I do know just a bit about this topic.

But what has really torqued me is your STUPID, IGNORANT, DEGRADING comment about the “scamdemic” - FUCK YOU! I sat in a hospital with my mother as she passed away from that awful “scam”.

Stick to what you know, which is spreadsheet horsepower.

Go ahead and ban me moderators. I can’t listen to this know-it-all asshat any longer.

 

[Eagle7]

So I swore to stay out of this, but I simply have to say you have no idea what you are talking about. You tell everyone here they don’t understand or don’t realize like it’s fact. All you are spouting is disproven conspiracy theories. And yes, I DO work in economics and finance and I do know just a bit about this topic.

But what has really torqued me is your STUPID, IGNORANT, DEGRADING comment about the “scamdemic” - FUCK YOU! I sat in a hospital with my mother as she passed away from that awful “scam”.

Stick to what you know, which is spreadsheet horsepower.

Go ahead and ban me moderators. I can’t listen to this know-it-all asshat any longer.

If you'd paid attention to what I actually said, I said Covid was real. I lost both my mother and one of my brothers in 2020, so I understand how you feel, but the comment about scamdemic was with regards to what we were told about it, the force that was used against people with regards to complying with masks and social distancing, both of which were not only useless against it but the masks actually created lung difficulties for people.

I'm very sorry to hear about your mother. Since I was the oldest in the family, the responsibility for handling all the affairs of both my mother and brother fell on me, and I spent the next 2 years trying to resolve all that because they both lived 2 states away from me. Government offices weren't open to walk-in, so it took forever trying to resolve the legal issues with court filings and the paperwork through email and phone calls. My mother had a will, my brother didn't, but both had possessions that required legal paperwork. It cost a lot in time money and emotion, to get through it all. 2020 wasn't a fun year. Again, sorry about your loss.

 

[Orchardbike]

How was social distancing “useless”? If you stayed away from people. How would you catch the disease? Masks also worked, that’s why there was such a scramble to obtain them for nursing staff first. It’s not like it some ‘out there’ theory, masks stop germs, period.

I’m normally against admin stepping in on forum’s but these kind of unhinged, clearly nonsense conspiracy theories that have the potential to downright dangerous or even lethal if the disease was still around or a new one evolves, should be removed.

 

[Nick in Sydney]

Eagle, you are destroying a thread that is supposed to be about discussing the impact of possible tariffs on the Lotus Emira. Please just stop.

 

[Eagle7]

How was social distancing “useless”? If you stayed away from people. How would you catch the disease? Masks also worked, that’s why there was such a scramble to obtain them for nursing staff first. It’s not like it some ‘out there’ theory, masks stop germs, period.

I’m normally against admin stepping in on forum’s but these kind of unhinged, clearly nonsense conspiracy theories that have the potential to downright dangerous or even lethal if the disease was still around or a new one evolves, should be removed.

Telling people to stand 6 feet apart does not stop a virus. Medical masks protect others from possibly being infected by you, only certain masks can stop a virus, and those weren't what were being handed out. Read up on the reports from the medical experts. I've read a lot about it, including talking to medical personnel.

However it's clear there's a time and place for this kind of discussion, and this isn't either of those things. Too much emotion and volatility.

Back to tariffs. I expect the next few days will deliver drama enough.

 

[cedricchew]

American made cars don't fit the roads of Europe, and because of that regardless of price they will not sell. Tariffs will not level the field, a desirable product will, that's needed. Buckle up, rough times are coming and not just in the auto world.

I believe that one American car which was successful in Europe was the Jeep Cherokee (XJ), partly because of its size, but possibly also due to its connection with Renault. Sadly, this is the only example I can think of.