What's the appeal? (Emira and Porsche)

[Magicman]

I think some of the G series/930 turbos are definitely works of art.

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Theyre lovely and have aged well, was only thinking that the other day watching Becky Evans in hers on YT, but it's still just not a phrase I'd associate with any porsche, maybe a 356 speedster

 

[Magma]

Theyre lovely and have aged well, was only thinking that the other day watching Becky Evans in hers on YT, but it's still just not a phrase I'd associate with any porsche, maybe a 356 speedster

356 Speedster for sure!

I guess that's why art is subjective huh? Someone can throw Colgate on a canvas and call it art and it'll sell for millions. To me and you, it's just toothpaste on a board.
*** Legal Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with any toothpaste brand.

 

[Corkdsp]

I currently drive 2015 981 Cayman S… has been a wonderful car these past 8 years as my daily driver:

Emira was announced and seemed to check all the boxes of what I wanted (price/value, manual, steering feel, looks) I put a deposit down instantly and was super excited.

After 1.5 years Waiting on Lotus… I started looking at 911’s and then the 911 T was announced recently. It also checks most of the boxes for me. Put deposit down day announced with local dealer got allocation this month with delivery scheduled for June 2023.

communication from Porsche past 2 months much better than Lotus over past 1.5 years. My overall impression Porsche professional organization - Lotus amateur.

being my only car… daily driving the Porsche is just the better choice… if Emira was my second car I would be more forgiving and open to it. I wish both brands success and I may come back to Lotus some day if they have a manual available.

 

[Eagle7]

The 904 is crude?

Uh, I would disagree with that, and so would Gordon Murray.

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I didn't say it was crude, I said it was almost crude looking compared to the refined image of a car like the Emira.

Look at these two images and tell me you don't see an improvement in the lines, construction, body shape, etc.

 

[695 to Emira]

I currently drive 2015 981 Cayman S… has been a wonderful car these past 8 years as my daily driver:

Emira was announced and seemed to check all the boxes of what I wanted (price/value, manual, steering feel, looks) I put a deposit down instantly and was super excited.

After 1.5 years Waiting on Lotus… I started looking at 911’s and then the 911 T was announced recently. It also checks most of the boxes for me. Put deposit down day announced with local dealer got allocation this month with delivery scheduled for June 2023.

communication from Porsche past 2 months much better than Lotus over past 1.5 years. My overall impression Porsche professional organization - Lotus amateur.

being my only car… daily driving the Porsche is just the better choice… if Emira was my second car I would be more forgiving and open to it. I wish both brands success and I may come back to Lotus some day if they have a manual available.

I have a similar conundrum although I only recently deposited on the T. The Forever Car thread here adds fuel to the fire. I may end up in the odd position of cancelling and earlier Emira in the hope of a late T before that are sold out.

 

[Magicman]

Well over 100k for a 911 with cayman s power , is it just me that thinks that's not a great deal?

 

[DJS]

The PDK 911 T will do 0-60 in 3.8 sec the Cayman S 4.3 second and sounds like a lawn mower.

 

[Magicman]

The PDK 911 T will do 0-60 in 3.8 sec the Cayman S 4.3 second and sounds like a lawn mower.

But it's also substantially more than a non lawn mower 4.0gts and is less powerful.

This forum is full of people berating the emira for its 400bhp for 80k

 

[DJS]

But it's also substantially more than a non lawn mower 4.0gts and is less powerful.

This forum is full of people berating the emira for its 400bhp for 80k

Ive owned a 992s cayman 718s and been lucky enough to spend a fair bit of time in an Emira, my view is if you can afford the extra money and your looking for a long term keeper go for the 911 T you won't be disappointed. If you want to turn heads and want a brilliant weekend toy then its the Emira i'm still not convinced its a daily driver but saying that i've only tried the sports suspension set up and not the V6 auto touring i'm hanging on in there for.

 

[Climber]

I didn't say it was crude, I said it was almost crude looking compared to the refined image of a car like the Emira.

Look at these two images and tell me you don't see an improvement in the lines, construction, body shape, etc.

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There has been over 50 years of evolutionary development in automotive industry. Taken in context the porsche is incredible not comparison.

 

[Climber]

I'd like to share a quick thought. And reading multiple posts, I feel Like I'm at a Marvel convention with DC fans stopping in. Clearly, there are Porsche lovers here, comparing the Emira sometimes negatively in many aspects.

What's the appeal in considering a niche vehicle like the Emira when your heart belongs with Porsche? Clearly, we are fans on both sides, but not sure why make the crossover if you find the new Emira disappointing?

To your original question the cayman and Emira are so close in specifications that’s it’s impossible that the are not being cross shopped. What sets them apart?
Porsche’s are reliable, well put together, and the benchmark by which most cars are measured. On the downside the lack sensual appeal. They are know Commodities. You know what your getting, porsche sell’s over 20,000 cayman’s.
Lotus beings by being the rare exotic, know for amazing handling and enjoyable engaging drives. Matching the Porsche’s capabilities, if not exceeding them in some areas. Reliability and build quality maybe a little less ( this is unknown, the drive train should match the Porsche with different feel ). The Emir name means leader. Emira is the feminine counterpart. Sensual Servatius attractive alluring magnetic dangerous forbidden.
When you park your New Emira next to a new Porsche, the owner will be faced with a problem never in countered with Porsche, Wow I could have purchased that? Because of the difficult irse in getting an Emira the exclusivity will only increase.
FYI I own Porsche’s a Boxster, Boxster GTS, 911 targa & a Mcan. The lotus will be the most attractive desirable by a country mile. These are all my opinions. I will still enjoy each for what they are amazing machines just different.

 

[Eagle7]

There has been over 50 years of evolutionary development in automotive industry. Taken in context the porsche is incredible not comparison.

Speaking of context, maybe I need to repost my original post which seems to have been completely ignored in the quest to defend an attack on the 904 that didn't happen.

Here's what I said:

Take note how I said the "904 was considered quite the exotic car" which it was. I merely pointed out that in fact there has been a great deal of evolution, which enables manufacturers to make cars today like the Emira, which just wouldn't have been possible back then. The 904 WAS incredible.

 

[~el~jefe~]

Not sure there's many porsches I'd ever refer to as a work of art

I've just sold my gt4, my 15th porsche, and they're brilliant cars in many ways but work of art has never popped into my head for any of them. It is a phrase I've used for the Emira styling though (and the v8 in my last ferrari)

the boxster T is when fully decked out with guards red everything. stunning. GT4 was probably boring build plain.

 

[Magicman]

the boxster T is when fully decked out with guards red everything. stunning. GT4 was probably boring build plain.

Nope saphire blue, carbon buckets, extended leather with contrast red stitching and door pulls, red seat belts, carbin interior trim. Good looking car but not a work of art, I once optioned a boxster S with £20k of spec, pts and special order leather, still wouldn't refer to it as a work of art

 

[~el~jefe~]

Nope saphire blue, carbon buckets, extended leather with contrast red stitching and door pulls, red seat belts, carbin interior trim. Good looking car but not a work of art, I once optioned a boxster S with £20k of spec, pts and special order leather, still wouldn't refer to it as a work of art

I will take a video of my car this weekend. It came together differently than yours. You'll see. it is unified from bumper to bumper.

 

[~el~jefe~]

I will take a video of my car this weekend. It came together differently than yours. You'll see. it is unified from bumper to bumper.

by the way, yours was hideous