Which actual Toyota motor is in the car?

[SilvesterZ]

Interesting - where did you find this out? I have't seen anything published by Lotus with the details of the engine spec. Wonder why they would use a lower capacity supercharger than the Evora. Perhaps something to do with emissions? Anyone else know anything about this?

 

[JXJ]

Guys, no supercharger upgrades required for 475hp for Evora. Emira uses same supercharger as Evora charge cooled variants Evora 400 onwards. Komotec link below

Phase EV4-475 Mehrleistung ca. +70PS/+90Nm

Phase EV4-475 Mehrleistung ca. +70PS/+90Nm

www.komo-tec.com

 

[Quantas66]

Komo-Tec - Lotus Tuning und Ersatzteile

Offizieller Lotus Partner, Tuning, Ersatzteile, Instandsetzung, Service und Verkauf - Ihr Motorsport-Partner am Nürburgring. Weltweiter Versand!

www.komo-tec.com

This is 'the Lotus Tuning Specialist in Germany. Highly recommended.
The Emira V6 comes with a 1750 supercharger. Die latest Exige and Evora have a 1900.
Maybe they have to do a little research before they will offer more power for the Emira V6 but for sure they will have some options soon.
Same with the AMG Version

I just listened to the AMG45S with the i4 engine and it sounds absolute sh1te. Literally boy race style. Glad I chose the V6.

 

[deadcruiser]

Just did a little googling, seems some people have done up to 800hp... transmissions can be built as well!

The 2GR in the Emira/supercharged Evoras likely won't get past the lower 500hp range until you build the engine and imo building a 2GR is not worth it for even an upgraded supercharger. They put more strain on an engine than a turbo too.

The only way you're going to get into significantly higher HP numbers is to remove the SC and go with a turbo setup which is far more efficient. IIRC the stock 2GR block is good for something like up to 600hp with a turbo setup. But the process of getting here will destroy it's resale value and make buyers super nervous especially since you'd need a standalone ECU.

Of course there's no point because of the trans and if you're spending that much money there are better cars to go for at that point unless you're bound to Lotus.

 

[Cory]

To the original question - here are applications of the engine. Less used than I would have thought. Couple of minivans, some Corollas.. hehe. Couple of Lexus in specific markets. I was actually hoping it was the same engine used in the Tacoma (as I have one) because I thought it would be funny to have the same engine in two wildly different applications but they are clearly different versions of the V6.

Toyota GR engine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It’s the same engine that is in my wife’s RAV4. It’s part of the reason I decided on the Emira. That engine has been perfect over the last ten years.

 

[Pops68]

Horsepower costs money, how much do you want??

And you can have too much power for a chassis and besides not being comfortable to drive, they become "Widow Makers" 425hp for a 3000lb car is plenty for the public roads, track too....

Yep it's "balance" that you want. My c6Z06 was perfect at its stock 505hp. I got horny for power and spent a bunch of money keeping it n/a and adding just under 175 more hp. The car was not nearly as fun. Sure it had a big increase in "rolling" go but it couldn't hook up from a stop and you had to constantly modulate the throttle to keep from breaking loose. The kids will learn. Us "seasoned folk" have managed to live long enough to know better..

 

[RENDERMAN]

Well, my car weighs about 3200 lbs and has 850 at the wheels and I don't feel that's too much for me

I think @ 850 HP you may end up hitting a pole and looking like a real chorizo (sausage) biggest problem for me is finding a good Toyota tuner, they all seem to be @ Honda...

 

[deadcruiser]

It’s the same engine that is in my wife’s RAV4. It’s part of the reason I decided on the Emira. That engine has been perfect over the last ten years.

This is why I chose the V6. It’s proven, can go for 200k miles, cheap parts and cheap to replace as a whole. It’s old sure but it still gets decent MPG so

 

[Citizen]

My fj cruiser with the 1GR FE approve the emira buy XD

 

[Quantas66]

The 2GR in the Emira/supercharged Evoras likely won't get past the lower 500hp range until you build the engine and imo building a 2GR is not worth it for even an upgraded supercharger. They put more strain on an engine than a turbo too.

The only way you're going to get into significantly higher HP numbers is to remove the SC and go with a turbo setup which is far more efficient. IIRC the stock 2GR block is good for something like up to 600hp with a turbo setup. But the process of getting here will destroy it's resale value and make buyers super nervous especially since you'd need a standalone ECU.

Of course there's no point because of the trans and if you're spending that much money there are better cars to go for at that point unless you're bound to Lotus.

Are there any tuning options for that motor that would get it up to about 450hp or somewhere it would be too much for the drivetrain?

 

[Quantas66]

Are there any tuning options for that motor that would get it up to about 450hp or somewhere it would be too much for the drivetrain?

I mean it looks like a supercar but it just seems a little shy of supercar hp....

 

[hml_xy]

The thing with these supercars is that they are just not the same kind of fun. They can be stunning and breath taking, but they are definitely too fast for the road (the Emira already is) and it's no fun to press the throttle only 20% and already be far too quick.

It's much more fun to drive a car _hard_ without being a complete idiot on the road. You can't drive a "supercar" hard on the road. Everybody who says so is doing quarter mile sprints from red lights or just going straight on the highway. If you take a McLaren as an example with 600+ HP, it's just no fun because it has zero drama at somewhat reasonable speeds.

I mean, each to his own, but I prefer hammering my (by todays standards incredibly slow) Lotus Esprit around a nice road much more than the thrill of doing 0-60 in around 3 seconds.
Or the perfect chassis of the Lotus Elan when it flows around a country road, with the amazing soundtrack of the Big Valve Twin Cam and its 135hp I can drive at full power, it feels much faster than it is and nobody will try to put me in jail.

And if its for track use and 400hp don't do it for you there - well, just get real track car. Think Arial Atom or BAC Mono (or Exige!). And in the end its about skill (and balls...) there as well. It baffels me how often I have been overtaken by a Renault Megane Sport on the Nurburgring. Much more about the driver than HP (for most of us).

I personally won't bother with tuning the Emira. It won't win against the show off racers with their boosted hot hatches but it has so much more character and style.

 

[VL3X]

I personally won't bother with tuning the Emira. It won't win against the show off racers with their boosted hot hatches

Eh, I'll probably still tune my Emira eventually. Just like I did with my hot hatch, that I'm keeping as a daily driver. The Emira will be more enjoyable for me with a higher rev limit which increases the sound, power, and driver engagement. I'm not one to red light drag race, but I will enjoy some extra RPMs while ripping around the twisties with my windows down.

 

[deadcruiser]

Are there any tuning options for that motor that would get it up to about 450hp or somewhere it would be too much for the drivetrain?

BOE's Chargecooler for the Evora allegedly pushes the car to 511hp and doesn't require clamshell or engine out removal (I think). It'll run you $12.5k though for just the kit. That's the route I'll be taking (or whatever the equivalent is).

There's also Komotec for 475 like mentioned above.

It's a lot of money just for 100hp but any farther and you'll be spending a TON of money and like I said might as well get a better car with a warranty. If this was a BRZ/86 I'd say go for it but costs and potential losses are maximized with it being a $100k car and all unless you have money to blow.

I don't know about the transmission. I've seen on the forums that allegedly the transmission can be rebuilt to be stronger but I haven't seen anyone do it. And given the price of the trans on these cars you really have to be comfortable with blowing and replacing it. Off the top of my head I'd ask Jack's Transmissions for options since they do a lot of trans rebuilds for cars with high HP aspirations.

 

[VL3X]

$12.5k though for just the kit. That's the route I'll be taking (or whatever the equivalent is).

There's also Komotec for 475 like mentioned above.

$12.5k for +110HP is rediculous. I gained 100HP in my GTI with a $600 reflash. If I'm spending $10k+ it's going to be on a fully built motor, stronger trans, and better supercharger with all the bolt-ons and tune to get 500+WHP.

Imagine the Emira with 500 at the wheels. Then it'd be a true supercar killer!

 

[deadcruiser]

$12.5k for +110HP is rediculous. I gained 100HP in my GTI with a $600 reflash. If I'm spending $10k+ it's going to be on a fully built motor, stronger trans, and better supercharger with all the bolt-ons and tune to get 500+WHP.

Imagine the Emira with 500 at the wheels. Then it'd be a true supercar killer!

The issue is that it'll cost way more than that to build the engine, trans, tuning, etc. unless you did it all yourself.

Also I don't know if the TVS1900 is maxed out, it seems like it has higher HP potential than 500 but I'm not sure, I saw on an LS1 GTO forum that it can make at least 600 rwhp. But I don't know.

I'm by no means an expert on this so I could be wrong.

Tbh I wouldn't be too concerned about it being a supercar killer, I imagine a 500hp Emira via that BOE Chargecooler equivalent with some further weight reduction would take out 99.9% of everything on the road. And straight line speed doesn't really mean much anyway tbh.

 

[VL3X]

The issue is that it'll cost way more than that to build the engine, trans, tuning, etc. unless you did it all yourself.

Also I don't know if the TVS1900 is maxed out, it seems like it has higher HP potential than 500 but I'm not sure, I saw on an LS1 GTO forum that it can make at least 600 rwhp. But I don't know.

I'm by no means an expert on this so I could be wrong.

I would do the build myself. It's just nuts and bolts right? Half serious, half kidding... But really can't be that hard to at least build the head. I've taken apart and reassembled B18 Honda and Jeep motors before. I can't imagine the 2GR being that complicated.

Is the TVS1900 the supercharger used on the Emira GT4? If so, pretty sure that just moves the powerband (at least with the current GT4 tune). I've never personally owned a supercharged vehicle. The linear powerband is strange to me coming from numerous turbo vehicles.

 

[deadcruiser]

I would do the build myself. It's just nuts and bolts right? Half serious, half kidding... But really can't be that hard to at least build the head. I've taken apart and reassembled B18 Honda and Jeep motors before. I can't imagine the 2GR being that complicated.

Is the TVS1900 the supercharger used on the Emira GT4? If so, pretty sure that just moves the powerband (at least with the current GT4 tune). I've never personally owned a supercharged vehicle. The linear powerband is strange to me coming from numerous turbo vehicles.

I've done a bit of research on the 2GR and I'm not sure building the head returns much power for the investment tbh. But I agree on the 2GR not being complicated.

I'm not 100% sure on the GT4. I've never owned a supercharged car either, I prefer turbos all the way so this will be new to me too

 

[Hapkin]

I would do the build myself. It's just nuts and bolts right? Half serious, half kidding... But really can't be that hard to at least build the head. I've taken apart and reassembled B18 Honda and Jeep motors before. I can't imagine the 2GR being that complicated.

Is the TVS1900 the supercharger used on the Emira GT4? If so, pretty sure that just moves the powerband (at least with the current GT4 tune). I've never personally owned a supercharged vehicle. The linear powerband is strange to me coming from numerous turbo vehicles.

GT4 prototype that I saw at Hethel is Harrop 1900