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Alternate configurator renders of the other 4 FE colors
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How's this compared to the samples you saw? I'm having trouble to get the gradient shift right so it doesn't just go completely black. I have multiple photos that vary considerably, from almost black to definite green. This picture is in the middle. Do the samples go darker than this in the light?
Here’s a photo of the Dark Verdant planform I took at an Emira viewing at Hethel. Photo was taken outside and the sky was overcast not bright sunshine. I was assured this was the actual Dark Verdant paint that will be used on the Emira. In the shadows the colour is very dark but not completely black - note the contrast against the black trousers in the background. I think your latest render is very close to how a Dark Verdant Emira will look.
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Okay! That gives me a sample from someone who can compare what they saw to what I'm replicating. I'll work off this sample and see how close I can get to this look.
Thank you!
I’m excited to see this! Again, repeat, nothing will sway me from this color but gosh I’m always excited to see variants.
Mike-engel
Emira Fiend
This is a really attractive spec. Classic! I think we will end up seeing a lot of VG once actual cars appear, particularly if the new paint process can produce depth like a multi-coat hand painted car. I really like it.
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Okay, after playing around with the materials/render system I was using, I just could not get it to produce an image that looked like the Verdant sample picture, so I switched to a different system. I've done this with the PBR system (Physical Based Render) which has pre-calculated lights, materials and render engine. They're designed to more closely approximate the way real-world lights and shadows work, but the downside is they take longer to render because the 'rules' are more complex.
The other downside is non-PBR materials under PBR lighting look either too bright or flat; lacking contrast, so I have to create new PBR materials. I did that for the Verdant paint and silver wheel paint, but everything else is non-PBR.
I replaced the 4 ceiling lights with 4 PBR lights, and one of the things you'll notice is the difference in shadows.
Here's the reference photo of the planform in Verdant that I used to sample the color from,
and here's what the paint color shader looks like that I created as a PBR shader based on samples from the Verdant planform photo.
For reference, here's a snapshot of the car in the old Verdant shader with the non-PBR system for comparison.
Here's the same shot with the PBR system. You can see the difference in shadow detail and accuracy, especially underneath the car (there are 4 overhead can lights).
These new PBR renders are probably closer to the way the car is actually going to look in Dark Verdant, based on the photo of the planform. HOWEVER, one thing to remember is the planforms are only a few inches across, so the transitions from light to dark are very fast. There's a big difference in the transition from light to dark across a 4 inch curved surface, compared to a curved surface that's 4 feet long. Plus, these are just color shift surfaces. I haven't figured out yet how to get a metallic effect in a PBR material. I haven't worked with this system before because I didn't want the longer render times, but in this case it seems necessary to try and get closer to the way these metallics are going to look on the car.
Now to get busy creating new PBR materials to replace the old ones.
The other downside is non-PBR materials under PBR lighting look either too bright or flat; lacking contrast, so I have to create new PBR materials. I did that for the Verdant paint and silver wheel paint, but everything else is non-PBR.
I replaced the 4 ceiling lights with 4 PBR lights, and one of the things you'll notice is the difference in shadows.
Here's the reference photo of the planform in Verdant that I used to sample the color from,
and here's what the paint color shader looks like that I created as a PBR shader based on samples from the Verdant planform photo.
For reference, here's a snapshot of the car in the old Verdant shader with the non-PBR system for comparison.
Here's the same shot with the PBR system. You can see the difference in shadow detail and accuracy, especially underneath the car (there are 4 overhead can lights).
These new PBR renders are probably closer to the way the car is actually going to look in Dark Verdant, based on the photo of the planform. HOWEVER, one thing to remember is the planforms are only a few inches across, so the transitions from light to dark are very fast. There's a big difference in the transition from light to dark across a 4 inch curved surface, compared to a curved surface that's 4 feet long. Plus, these are just color shift surfaces. I haven't figured out yet how to get a metallic effect in a PBR material. I haven't worked with this system before because I didn't want the longer render times, but in this case it seems necessary to try and get closer to the way these metallics are going to look on the car.
Now to get busy creating new PBR materials to replace the old ones.
Friedensbar
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Thank you so much for your generosity in producing these renders for the community. It's a real gift. If you have the time and energy would be up making a version of these images with red brake callipers? Warm regards from Sydney, Australia.
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I'm slowly getting the hang of working with the PBR system. It's supposed to mimic real-world lighting and shadows, but there are some limitations. The PBR system seems to want to render all surfaces as semi-gloss. I'm getting the colors pretty close, but I still haven't figured out the high gloss thing yet. As usual, Magma and Dark Verdant are the ones being the most difficult to create, but I'm working on it.
So far I have fairly decent versions of the other 4 FE colors started.
So far I have fairly decent versions of the other 4 FE colors started.
Looking good, you can certainly tell it in is semi-gloss. The colors shown look pretty accurate to me
I’ve actually been wondering about a blue with matte PPF - I think this may look similar
I think the least realistic thing in these renders is how tidy that garage is...
I've been on the fence about this myself. I feel like I won't be convinced one way or the other until I see it in person on a single panel (and after much thought, I'm probably leaning more towards not doing it now TBH - it may make the blue look too "toy like" :| )
Excellent work Eagle7. I think you have the hue, saturation and brightness of Dark Verdant - its just the glossy shine that needs enhancing somehow to match the planform sample. Would you be able to reproduce these latest DV images with gloss black wheels instead of silver? I'm curious if the DV body colour will be distinct from gloss black or whether they will look the same in the shade. They are distinct on the configurator (same for the full black pack roof) but not sure this will be the case for the actual car assuming the planform colouration is correct.
FederGigant
Emira Fanatic
The more I look at those nimbus renders, the more I like it.
@Eagle7 could you also do a render of Seneca and Dark Verdant both with black pack, black rims, yellow calipers and black alcantara (yellow stitching)? That would be great because it seems as if things are getting serious for me this week
I didn‘t have the chance to see a real car due to covid, nor have I ever sat in a Lotus, but those renders are a huge help in terms of looks of the car nevertheless!
@Eagle7 could you also do a render of Seneca and Dark Verdant both with black pack, black rims, yellow calipers and black alcantara (yellow stitching)? That would be great because it seems as if things are getting serious for me this week
I didn‘t have the chance to see a real car due to covid, nor have I ever sat in a Lotus, but those renders are a huge help in terms of looks of the car nevertheless!This looks nice, though I do not like those cut wheels. All I can see are flowers
. Still looks semi-gloss to me for some reason?
Nick in Sydney
Emira Fanatic
Agree, it's still not as glossy as real paint. To me, silver wheels look much better with Nimbus than cut.This looks nice, though I do not like those cut wheels. All I can see are flowers
You mean black wheels
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