Base and First Edition specs and configuration options coming through...

[weepel]

I remember someone posting about the VAT and it’s impact on overall price. Here in the US we would not be paying that so I’m wondering what would be the likely base an FE prices in US dollars. Anyone care to make an educated guess?

Yeah very interested to see the US pricing in a few weeks... Looking at the UK and EU pricing, I'm not heartened the FE will be under my budget, which means I may knock back to the Base edition queue.

As a rough comparison:

Evora GBP: £72,000
Evora USD (converted): $98,431
Evora USD (MSRP): $94,900

So my rough guess for US version will be in the neighborhood of $100k. I hope I'm wrong though

Emira GBP: £75,995
Emira USD (converted): $103,908
Emira USD (MSRP Guess): $100,180

 

[frazzer]

Yeah very interested to see the US pricing in a few weeks... Looking at the UK and EU pricing, I'm not heartened the FE will be under my budget, which means I may knock back to the Base edition queue.

As a rough comparison:

Evora GBP: £72,000
Evora USD (converted): $98,431
Evora USD (MSRP): $94,900

So my rough guess for US version will be in the neighborhood of $100k. I hope I'm wrong though

Emira GBP: £75,995
Emira USD (converted): $103,908
Emira USD (MSRP Guess): $100,180

Don't forget 20% of that £75k is UK VAT

 

[TrickeeKiYay]

They have been saying the amg will be 360 bhp apparently 0-60 time will
Be quicker than the v6 ..
any one else heard anything different ?

The 360 bhp figure is actually mentioned on the updated webpage

 

[bif]

I for one am very excited about this. The pricing looks to be a very good price and specs are impressive.

Cannot wait to get this car in my garage!

 

[Mike-engel]

Don't forget 20% of that £75k is UK VAT

So are you saying that a FE at ~£75K is ~£63K of car and £12K of VAT? That would correlate to ~$90K for a FE car, plus our own TTL added on. For a base vehicle the price of the car would be ~£48K which would be ~$72K plus options and TTL. Am I getting that about right? Sounds like the FE car, with all that’s included, is likely to be a bargain.

 

[Mike-engel]

So are you saying that a FE at ~£75K is ~£63K of car and £12K of VAT? That would correlate to ~$90K for a FE car, plus our own TTL added on. For a base vehicle the price of the car would be ~£48K which would be ~$72K plus options and TTL. Am I getting that about right? Sounds like the FE car, with all that’s included, is likely to be a bargain.

Also, am I interpreting the comments about FE cars with the V6 vs the I4 that the cost is the same no matter which engine one chooses? In other words, the difference in price between the FE and base is all attributable to the bells and whistles included with the FE?

 

[Den]

I for one am very excited about this. The pricing looks to be a very good price and specs are impressive.

Cannot wait to get this car in my garage!

Me too
If people aren't happy with what Lotus are doing, they don't have to buy one, simple as that!

 

[Leonard]

Also, am I interpreting the comments about FE cars with the V6 vs the I4 that the cost is the same no matter which engine one chooses? In other words, the difference in price between the FE and base is all attributable to the bells and whistles included with the FE?

Allegedly there may be 8k difference between the two. If true that would make the I4 FE a bargain!

 

[Jonhklee]

If the FE i4 is priced right, I would be interested!!

 

[CP007]

Reaponse from lotus regarding when the FE i4 will be on configurator in uk is :
“We are estimating the configurator for the Lotus Emira 2.0 Turbo I4 (first edition) will be available towards the end of the Year 2021.”

 

[VL3X]

Allegedly there may be 8k difference between the two. If true that would make the I4 FE a bargain!

As cool as the AMG engine is, I would be cautious to call it a bargain. Porsche caught a ton of blacklash when they tried to sell the Cayman with a turbo 4, eventhough it was faster on paper than their NA flat 6. Resale now on those turbo I4 Caymans are pretty dismal too, so prepare for greater depreciation than the V6.

 

[Leonard]

As cool as the AMG engine is, I would be cautious to call it a bargain. Porsche caught a ton of blacklash when they tried to sell the Cayman with a turbo 4, eventhough it was faster on paper than their NA flat 6. Resale now on those turbo I4 Caymans are pretty dismal too, so prepare for greater depreciation than the V6.

True, but times are a changing. Young uns don't mind loud 4cyl and they like flappy paddles...
Plus Porsche was renowned for its 6cyl. You could argue Lotus are known for their 4cyl...

 

[PaulP]

Reaponse from lotus regarding when the FE i4 will be on configurator in uk is :
“We are estimating the configurator for the Lotus Emira 2.0 Turbo I4 (first edition) will be available towards the end of the Year 2021.”

Why? I can’t imagine that they haven’t already negotiated the pricing of this engine from AMG - why can’t we know the specifics?

I’m getting more and more disillusioned with my deposit. May go back to my planned Porsche purchase.

 

[GarrethN]

PaulP, I understand your frustration with Lotus not giving the prices for the AMG powered FE cars even if they wont be available for a few months to spec. They must know the price seeing as the base price is based upon an I4 engine only.

Please Lotus, just release the I4 FE cost so we can make up our minds which to go for, I for one won't go down the Porsche route but it may just stop a good few people pulling their deposits and going elsewhere.

I don't mind making a decision without driving the car, there are so many people on here who can testify just how good Lotus cars are to drive, but I won't make a decision without knowing the relevant prices. It's surely not too much to ask. It is something I will ask at the roadshow and when I get the phonecall, you never know !!

 

[Pav]

Me too
If people aren't happy with what Lotus are doing, they don't have to buy one, simple as that!

Well said that man. Can’t be easy for a maker of essentially low volume specialist cars to try and be a grown up global business, even with the investment.

I quite like what they appear to be doing with making sure the customers of the first car get relevant info and some personal attention. The V6 always felt it would be prioritised as it’s a known quantity. I just want them to focus on getting the car right from the start and (fingers crossed) that’s what it looks like they are doing.

 

[TomE]

So are you saying that a FE at ~£75K is ~£63K of car and £12K of VAT? That would correlate to ~$90K for a FE car, plus our own TTL added on. For a base vehicle the price of the car would be ~£48K which would be ~$72K plus options and TTL. Am I getting that about right? Sounds like the FE car, with all that’s included, is likely to be a bargain.

That's about it. Knock off the UK VAT, add shipping and US import duty, convert to dollars, then add your on the road costs. I got V6 FE about $85k plus taxes and a base i4 about $70k plus taxes.

My hunch is the i4 will be £5k less than the V6 and this will be reflected in the FE and base prices, so:
- base i4 £60k
- base V6 £65k
- FE i4 £71k
- FE V6 £76k

 

[Green]

I believe the first edition only comes with the 20” inch options.

The configure site only shows three wheel choices now.

 

[PaulP]

PaulP, I understand your frustration with Lotus not giving the prices for the AMG powered FE cars even if they wont be available for a few months to spec. They must know the price seeing as the base price is based upon an I4 engine only.

Please Lotus, just release the I4 FE cost so we can make up our minds which to go for, I for one won't go down the Porsche route but it may just stop a good few people pulling their deposits and going elsewhere.

I don't mind making a decision without driving the car, there are so many people on here who can testify just how good Lotus cars are to drive, but I won't make a decision without knowing the relevant prices. It's surely not too much to ask. It is something I will ask at the roadshow and when I get the phonecall, you never know !!

I guess I'm growing increasingly annoyed at the lack of any actual performance data. I want DCT not a slush box and the detuned AMG engine is annoying me more and more. I can spec a Macan for less that is going to be faster with a hell of a lot more room. Yes, I love the looks, but getting dusted by a soccer mom in an SUV leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Why in the world can't Lotus release actual performance data months after taking a lot of deposit money?

 

[Squidsworth Jr.]

I'm holding my breath for US prices to be released, but it looks like FE might be out of my price range... siiiiiigh... I knew it was a long shot, but I've still got my fingers crossed just in case. It's 6MT or nothing for me... do we know at all if the base model might be available with the V6 and 6MT? I haven't seen anything about that yet?

 

[TomE]

I guess I'm growing increasingly annoyed at the lack of any actual performance data. I want DCT not a slush box and the detuned AMG engine is annoying me more and more. I can spec a Macan for less that is going to be faster with a hell of a lot more room. Yes, I love the looks, but getting dusted by a soccer mom in an SUV leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Why in the world can't Lotus release actual performance data months after taking a lot of deposit money?

I suspect because development work on the AMG-enginee car is (as planned) running about 3 months longer than the V6. This is because the V6 is a familiar engine to Lotus and needs less work. Whereas the AMG needs intake and exhaust work plus re-mapping.

This is why first deliveries of AMG cars are 3 months after V6 and why the main focus right now is on confirming V6 FE customers.

I agree it’s frustrating the info is coming out piecemeal. It also makes it difficult for those like me who are leaning towards V6 FE to make decisions without info on i4 and base.

On the detuning, bear in mind Lotus are doing this to give less peak power but more torque and a less peaky power and torque profile. This is going to have an important bearing on performance … if only they’d get on and tells us exactly what!