CAR Mag Sports Car Test 2022- YouTube Video

[Leonard]

I appreciate the question, but for me the only real option apart from a porsche is probably an Exige in terms of a modern car. I personally am not a fan of Japanese cars, styling wise they are generally very busy and the seats are not great for me. German cars, away from and in some cases including porsche, are a bit too obvious a choice. I generally dont like to go the same way as everyone else.... ie I stopped wearing Levis 501's when they were very popular way back when as everyone had them.
I think we are all here as we want Lotus to succeed and hence we are slightly romantic in some way, this is a good word here. I've no doubt the M2 is a great car and there will of course be Japanese options, but for my money, it would be an Emira, an Exige (cant see the evora being a good option as you will see an Emira and think.... why????) or go down the porsche route.
The good thing with the other options is that even when things get back to normal in the used car market, you wont lose money no matter what you do.

Exige would be

 

[GetawayDriving]

You mean the Emira is HEAVIER than the Evora, has a wider track, has LESS power, has a LOWER redline.

It's going to be a less exciting car than the outgoing Evora -- and that's why people aren't as excited about it.

Googling the curb weight of each is telling me Emira is 1405kg / 3,097 lbs and Evora GT is 1408kg / 3,108 lbs. Happy to be corrected if I’m wrong.

 

[Leonard]

Googling the curb weight of each is telling me Emira is 1405kg / 3,097 lbs and Evora GT is 1408kg / 3,108 lbs. Happy to be corrected if I’m wrong.

Emira is another 60kg and I think the GT410 was sub 1400
Sport more so

 

[kitkat]

Googling the curb weight of each is telling me Emira is 1405kg / 3,097 lbs and Evora GT is 1408kg / 3,108 lbs. Happy to be corrected if I’m wrong.

The Emira v6 FE will be roughly 3,300 lbs pretty sure.

 

[Lotustoronto]

Interestingly, their written review from June is much more positive….

Blue car with sport and cup 2.... maybe something to do with it?

 

[Flashback]

What a ridiculous test.

2 cars at around the third of a £million mark and another that 99.99% of us aren't even allowed to order.

I'm getting more and more sick of these magazines. They're completely pointless as far as helping anyone choose which of a bunch of cars to buy.

2/10 for effort.

 

[Lotustoronto]

I appreciate the question, but for me the only real option apart from a porsche is probably an Exige in terms of a modern car. I personally am not a fan of Japanese cars, styling wise they are generally very busy and the seats are not great for me. German cars, away from and in some cases including porsche, are a bit too obvious a choice. I generally dont like to go the same way as everyone else.... ie I stopped wearing Levis 501's when they were very popular way back when as everyone had them.
I think we are all here as we want Lotus to succeed and hence we are slightly romantic in some way, this is a good word here. I've no doubt the M2 is a great car and there will of course be Japanese options, but for my money, it would be an Emira, an Exige (cant see the evora being a good option as you will see an Emira and think.... why????) or go down the porsche route.
The good thing with the other options is that even when things get back to normal in the used car market, you wont lose money no matter what you do.

I would have bought an exige 390 final edition no question.... Can't be sold in N/A due to never being homologated. (crash testing I believe) Sad.

 

[emiraspain]

Blue car with sport and cup 2.... maybe something to do with it?

yes the guy says in this one, its about fun.. not road soft absorbing bumps...... sport would have made more sense, but still it would possibly only have change the 4 mins they spent on the car by a tinge....

 

[Zardoz]

What a ridiculous test.

2 cars at around the third of a £million mark and another that 99.99% of us aren't even allowed to order.

I'm getting more and more sick of these magazines. They're completely pointless as far as helping anyone choose which of a bunch of cars to buy.

2/10 for effort.

Agree 100%.
I would be interested in a test comparison with cars closer to price point & are attainable/usable for common folk. All 6 speed manual of course.
BMW M2
Toyota Supra
New Nissan Z
Porsche Cayman - (kinda been there, done that)

 

[Lotustoronto]

yes the guy says in this one, its about fun.. not road soft absorbing bumps...... sport would have made more sense, but still it would possibly only have change the 4 mins they spent on the car by a tinge....

Test lasted 3 days with the cars... And about 5-8 reviewers. They tested the SH*t out of those cars, I know I would!

 

[Lotustoronto]

Agree 100%.
I would be interested in a test comparison with cars closer to price point & are attainable/usable for common folk. All 6 speed manual of course.
BMW M2
Toyota Supra
New Nissan Z
Porsche Cayman - (kinda been there, done that)

Yup. Here is where the problem is;

Emira is more expensive than M2, Supra, C8 Corvette and Z is half the price almost. It's closer Cayman GTS / GT4 pricing.... Looks are Ferrari-esque, Performance less than M2, Supra, C8 and near the Z, priced between a base 911 and Cayman GTS 4.0 .... therefore the conundrum.

I think the only comparisons are C8 and GTS 4.0.... I don't want to see it get beat on track by a supra or M2.... Prefer to watch it get beat by a Ferrari or Mclaren... Don't give CAR mag any ideas

This is a great review of the previous gen M2 vs Evora.... I don't know if the 2023 M2 (new) vs Emira will be the same result... I hope it is, but it's not looking likely at this rate.

 

[lion shf]

I'm not discounting them, they are data points and some may find them useful. But I ascribe more value to my own review/my own opinion. Life could become very disappointing if we only lived it through others eyes.

It’s not like I’m not buying my fav lol

 

[Cachaco131]

It’s not like I’m not buying my fav lol

Is your favorite based on your opinion only? If you test drove it extensively and had no access to the reviews and six months later they all come out and say it's not an extraordinary car, then what?

Not sure how old you are but if you are over 40 and have had multiple cars, you'd be surprised if you compared some of the ones you liked vs what the Internet "experts" would have thought about them.

 

[lion shf]

Is your favorite based on your opinion only? If you test drove it extensively and had no access to the reviews and six months later they all come out and say it's not an extraordinary car, then what?

Not sure how old you are but if you are over 40 and have had multiple cars, you'd be surprised if you compared some of the ones you liked vs what the Internet "experts" would have thought about them.

I’m 58 w grayness and I’m laughing at your sheeple insinuation

 

[lion shf]

In 2009 I test drove the Evora after Evo voted it car of the year. So disappointed - felt very kit car like and not very well made. Magazines can say all they want but ultimately it is your own opinion that matters.
Had a 718 GT4 too - the long gearing totally ruins the experience . Only a fab engine when you are hitting the red line on track.

IYHO does the PDK fix the stupid gearing? A 718 T is 3rd on my list but it’s a distant 3rd. I’ve driven a 981 and a 718, both manual, and both just a bit too similar to my TT

 

[Cachaco131]

I’m 58 w grayness and I’m laughing at your sheeple insinuation

I'm glad you are laughing! I'm sure your wisdom will then give the appropriate weight to your purchase drivers.

 

[lion shf]

I'm glad you are laughing! I'm sure your wisdom will then give the appropriate weight to your purchase drivers.

 

[eriegz]

Yup. Here is where the problem is;

Emira is more expensive than M2, Supra, C8 Corvette and Z is half the price almost. It's closer Cayman GTS / GT4 pricing.... Looks are Ferrari-esque, Performance less than M2, Supra, C8 and near the Z, priced between a base 911 and Cayman GTS 4.0 .... therefore the conundrum.

I think the only comparisons are C8 and GTS 4.0.... I don't want to see it get beat on track by a supra or M2.... Prefer to watch it get beat by a Ferrari or Mclaren... Don't give CAR mag any ideas

This is a great review of the previous gen M2 vs Evora.... I don't know if the 2023 M2 (new) vs Emira will be the same result... I hope it is, but it's not looking likely at this rate.

It's definitely an interesting question of which cars automotive journalists should / do to pit against one another.

For example, in this test MotorTrend they compare the new Acura NSX Type S to the Porsche 911 GTS, and yet the 911 still comes out on top! (annoyingly )

2022 Acura NSX Type S vs. 2022 Porsche 911 GTS Comparison Test: Who Knew?

The NSX and 911 GTS might not be obvious foes, so we expected the unexpected—and still came away somewhat surprised.

www.motortrend.com

I personally would never compare a 4 (5?) seater BMW M2 sedan against a 2 seater (or "4", whatever, you know what I mean) sports car like the Lotus Evora. I don't see what the two could possibly have in common, apart from their price, driving performance, and number of tires. The spirit of the two cars is just totally different:

By and large, a 2 seater sports car is a vehicle that you buy for the sheer joy of driving itself. It's not intended as a family car, or a grocery-getter (although some people enjoy using them that way, and more power to them!). A "sporty" 4 / 5 seater sedan is a "sensible" car for "grown-ups" who have obligations, a family, etc. That's how I view the two types of cars, anyways. I could never picture someone walking into a car dealership and saying "Hey there, I'd like to buy either a Lotus Evora, or a BMW M2". Not saying it could never happen, but I don't see those as interchangeable at all. They're both valid cars for their intended purposes, but they're not comparable IMO.

Maybe the real problem is humans constantly trying to figure out what is the "best car", like somebody trying to figure out what is the "best instrument" in an orchestra.

 

[Lotustoronto]

It's definitely an interesting question of which cars automotive journalists should / do to pit against one another.

For example, in this test MotorTrend they compare the new Acura NSX Type S to the Porsche 911 GTS, and yet the 911 still comes out on top! (annoyingly )

2022 Acura NSX Type S vs. 2022 Porsche 911 GTS Comparison Test: Who Knew?

The NSX and 911 GTS might not be obvious foes, so we expected the unexpected—and still came away somewhat surprised.

www.motortrend.com

I personally would never compare a 4 (5?) seater BMW M2 sedan against a 2 seater (or "4", whatever, you know what I mean) sports car like the Lotus Evora. I don't see what the two could possibly have in common, apart from their price, driving performance, and number of tires. The spirit of the two cars is just totally different:

By and large, a 2 seater sports car is a vehicle that you buy for the sheer joy of driving itself. It's not intended as a family car, or a grocery-getter (although some people enjoy using them that way, and more power to them!). A "sporty" 4 / 5 seater sedan is a "sensible" car for "grown-ups" who have obligations, a family, etc. That's how I view the two types of cars, anyways. I could never picture someone walking into a car dealership and saying "Hey there, I'd like to buy either a Lotus Evora, or a BMW M2". Not saying it could never happen, but I don't see those as interchangeable at all. They're both valid cars for their intended purposes, but they're not comparable IMO.

Maybe the real problem is humans constantly trying to figure out what is the "best car", like somebody trying to figure out what is the "best instrument" in an orchestra.

It is an interesting topic.... I think brand is also something to take into consideration. Lotus generally speaking, is placed higher on the Brand spectrum due mostly to the F1 heritage. It's probably in the same line as Maserati. Not Ferrari/lambo/aston/mclaren/porsche. Although with Evija they want to be placed in that pantheon... But unless they actually sell the Evija they will stay below it.

After that being mid-engine gives it a totally different perspective than front engine. More exotic. Hard to place it against "regular" sports cars. I do think M2, Supra, TTrs, C8, Cayman, Z, RS5 buyers would look at an Emira, however depending on circumstance choose different cars. (children, weather, AWD Vs rear, dealership, convertible, manual, auto, performance, fun, etc...) People will choose what they want. But I do think it's in the realm of competition.

Sub 100K (usd)
similar performance
2 door sports cars/coupes

So based on branding / mid-engine / price / performance / weight / manual ... it's GTS 4.0 vs Emira

 

[Leonard]

IYHO does the PDK fix the stupid gearing? A 718 T is 3rd on my list but it’s a distant 3rd. I’ve driven a 981 and a 718, both manual, and both just a bit too similar to my TT

It does yes