Dealer Demo cars in Europe and UK

[emiraspain]

And visible gear linkage?

yes i noticed that, 1st thing I saw.. what on earth is going on there? Maybe did not get approval for EU market?
Im sure you can take that plastic cover off... in reality I would be taking the grille off the UK car if it still has one and not a blanking plate....
The screen isnt too bad, but I still don't think its up to standard for 100k $ car.. sorry @Lotustoronto , but time will tell... .
bonnet strip looks reasonable... common sense and manufacturer got there in the end...

 

[Honeywell]

And to think, in interviews, Russell Carr made the mesh a big thing, so to have it covered makes no sense. What, Lotus over promising and under delivering. Surely not. Like telling me 2 years ago I would get my Emira in March. Now we are in September and still no car. Told October now but not holding my breath.

I really personally cut Lotus a ton of slack. The global supply chain has been in bits for the past 18 months. Covid impacted their own workforce. They are trying to open a new factory to produce a new model.

The challenges could not be anticipated or higher. There can be no time in history to try to be a small car maker doing what Lotus are trying to do.

 

[emiraspain]

So far mesh seems to be fitted to customer cars and the solid cover to dealer demos. Hopefully it'll become clearer as we see more demo and customer cars being delivered.

" Hopefully it'll become clearer " = I also hope it will become clearer...... in fact a virtually transparent mesh

 

[Lotustoronto]

So far mesh seems to be fitted to customer cars and the solid cover to dealer demos. Hopefully it'll become clearer as we see more demo and customer cars being delivered.

I would understand if they said dealer demo's were not F/E cars, but perhaps a base version or a mix of different options. But once they placed the F/E bade on it, threw that idea out the window. Just a very odd way to go about things. If they didn't have all the parts for dealer demo's no problem, just don't call it a full production F/E. Honestly have to wonder who makes these decisions at Lotus?

 

[Lotustoronto]

yes i noticed that, 1st thing I saw.. what on earth is going on there? Maybe did not get approval for EU market?
Im sure you can take that plastic cover off... in reality I would be taking the grille off the UK car if it still has one and not a blanking plate....
The screen isnt too bad, but I still don't think its up to standard for 100k $ car.. sorry @Lotustoronto , but time will tell... .
bonnet strip looks reasonable... common sense and manufacturer got there in the end...

There has been three EU deliveries with mesh in Belgium... So who knows. Very odd. I will hold judgement on the screen until I see it. It may not be 100K worthy for a 2024 model year vehicle. The fact that the interior finish was compared to KIA.... well over in the N/A market that is not a very good compliment at all.

 

[Lotustoronto]

I really personally cut Lotus a ton of slack. The global supply chain has been in bits for the past 18 months. Covid impacted their own workforce. They are trying to open a new factory to produce a new model.

The challenges could not be anticipated or higher. There can be no time in history to try to be a small car maker doing what Lotus are trying to do.

Supply chain I understand, delay's and parts shortage, staffing etc... But when a dealer receives a first edition model missing a major design element - even outlined in the options online - without knowing why or that it was arriving like that, is just poor communication.

 

[emiraspain]

There has been three EU deliveries with mesh in Belgium... So who knows. Very odd. I will hold judgement on the screen until I see it. It may not be 100K worthy for a 2024 model year vehicle. The fact that the interior finish was compared to KIA.... well over in the N/A market that is not a very good compliment at all.

hey hey hey...i have a sister company ironic 5. its really not too bad at the top end..... in fact 7/10 id say....porsche 8...

 

[Lotustoronto]

hey hey hey...i have a sister company ironic 5. its really not too bad at the top end..... in fact 7/10 id say....porsche 8...

I think Hyundai (ok more so Genesis) have very good interior quality. KIA at least in our market is placed below. All I can think about is the video of you moving the climate controls around... I would expect at least a Volvo level of finish, since it's mostly from their parts bin.

 

[TomE]

I'm sure the aftermarket will promptly find a solution for those interested.

As both versions exist on production cars delivered by Lotus to dealers, it would suggest you'll be able to buy the parts for both versions from Lotus Aftersales and be able to convert from one to the other fairly easily.

Lotus told me back at Goodwood 2021 they might have to make two different versions, as some markets might not approve the open mesh due to finger trap concerns. At that stage they were still discussing with regional regulators to see if they could do one version globally. Perhaps they've had to do two versions after all.

 

[CDM1855]

As both versions exist on production cars delivered by Lotus to dealers, it would suggest you'll be able to buy the parts for both versions from Lotus Aftersales and be able to convert from one to the other fairly easily.

Lotus told me back at Goodwood 2021 they might have to make two different versions, as some markets might not approve the open mesh due to finger trap concerns. At that stage they were still discussing with regional regulators to see if they could do one version globally. Perhaps they've had to do two versions after all.

I guess the Germans can’t be trusted with their Hans

 

[Lotustoronto]

As both versions exist on production cars delivered by Lotus to dealers, it would suggest you'll be able to buy the parts for both versions from Lotus Aftersales and be able to convert from one to the other fairly easily.

Lotus told me back at Goodwood 2021 they might have to make two different versions, as some markets might not approve the open mesh due to finger trap concerns. At that stage they were still discussing with regional regulators to see if they could do one version globally. Perhaps they've had to do two versions after all.

Fair enough Tom. I would happily accept that answer, makes total sense. But how do you deliver a car to a dealer / customer and not tell them in advance? There is obviously a logical answer to the question of the mesh grilles, the fact that the people receiving the cars do not know why is shocking.

 

[Scruff111S]

I really personally cut Lotus a ton of slack. The global supply chain has been in bits for the past 18 months. Covid impacted their own workforce. They are trying to open a new factory to produce a new model.

The challenges could not be anticipated or higher. There can be no time in history to try to be a small car maker doing what Lotus are trying to do.

Yes, i take on board what you are saying. My point is, dont tell me, a number of times, something is going to happen and then it doesn't. ie, in November i was told definitely delivery in June. This was after definitely March, then April/May, then May/June. All i am saying is be straight with me, if it is going to be October then say that from the start.

 

[Eagle7]

Yes, i take on board what you are saying. My point is, dont tell me, a number of times, something is going to happen and then it doesn't. ie, in November i was told definitely delivery in June. This was after definitely March, then April/May, then May/June. All i am saying is be straight with me, if it is going to be October then say that from the start.

You're assuming they knew what they were telling you wasn't true when they said it. I highly doubt that's the case. The answers they were giving out were what they thought was going to happen at the time. The lockdown/supply issues have been an absolute roller coaster. I can only imagine what it's been like behind the scenes.

 

[TomE]

Fair enough Tom. I would happily accept that answer, makes total sense. But how do you deliver a car to a dealer / customer and not tell them in advance? There is obviously a logical answer to the question of the mesh grilles, the fact that the people receiving the cars do not know why is shocking.

We continue to be surprised that dealers and customers aren't being told key information by Lotus. But really, we should all be used to that happening by now!

 

[~el~jefe~]

I believe these vehicles are failing safety tests. I have 0 belief that a thing created by a communist-party-funding Chinese mega company is having problems getting parts from another Chinese communist mega company which is next to it physically. I believe there will be something shown wrong way down the timeline about what happened this summer and spring 2022. Something is particularly wrong with some system or objects created. They already built working examples just about one year ago. They can make several in one day.

 

[Scruff111S]

We continue to be surprised that dealers and customers aren't being told key information by Lotus. But really, we should all be used to that happening by now!

This I came across on the Lotus Cars twitter page.

 

[Twin Cam]

I believe these vehicles are failing safety tests. I have 0 belief that a thing created by a communist-party-funding Chinese mega company is having problems getting parts from another Chinese communist mega company which is next to it physically. I believe there will be something shown wrong way down the timeline about what happened this summer and spring 2022. Something is particularly wrong with some system or objects created. They already built working examples just about one year ago. They can make several in one day.

I know nothing, but the Emira is not that different from an Evora regarding structure, so, personally I would be surprised if this was the case….. time will tell

 

[Scruff111S]

I know nothing, but the Emira auto is not that different from an Evora auto regarding structure, so, personally I would be surprised if this was the case….. time will tell

Surely the basic running gear of an Emira is similar to an Evora 400. I dont remember any problems getting parts for that car when in production.

 

[Lotustoronto]

Surely the basic running gear of an Emira is similar to an Evora 400. I dont remember any problems getting parts for that car when in production.

In all fairness they didn't really require much volume.. few hundred steering wheels a year or so? The Emira will probably surpass Evora 2021 production in the last 3 months of 2022 in the middle of a supply chain issue.

 

[Scruff111S]

In all fairness they didn't really require much volume.. few hundred steering wheels a year or so? The Emira will probably surpass Evora 2021 production in the last 3 months of 2022 in the middle of a supply chain issue.

Well at the moment I would be happy with the last few years production figures of 1600 per year to start with. So lets not get ahead of ourselves just yet thinking about Matt Windle's projected figures of 4800 per year for Emira.