Emira Review Index [V6 FE]

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For those looking for the latest Emira V6 FE reviews scheduled to be released today, I've self-volunteered to maintain a quick reference index here.
Please let me know of any missing articles and I'll update accordingly. (y)

ReviewerTypeDirect Link
EdmundsArticle
Harry's Garage (Harry Metcalfe)Video Review

Harry drives the Sports and Tour suspension back to back on the same road and shares his thoughts.
Schmee150 (Tim Burton)Video ReviewPublished 21st June
Carwow (Mat Watson)Video Review
TopGearArticles and VideoPublished 3rd July
Chris Harris talks about the Lotus Emira

Published 20th June

AutoTrader (Rory Reid)Video Review
EvoArticle and Video Review
CARArticle and Video ReviewPublished 22nd July


Lotus Emira vs Cayman 718 GTS vs Alpine 110s
AutocarArticle and Video Review
PistonheadsArticle
KHTVVideo Review
The DriveArticle
AutoExpressArticle
Pictures:
WhichCarArticle
CarBuyerArticle
HagertyArticle
Road and TrackArticlePublished 1st September
Lotus Emira Road and Track Drive

GoodwoodArticle
The IntercoolerPodcastReasonably good post-embargo Emira discussion on The Intercooler.
MotortrendArticle
DriveArticle
AFRArticle
ParkersArticle
CarExpertArticle
Caffeine & MachineArticle
Photos on Instagram:
The Sunday Times DrivingArticle
Car and DriverArticle
The SunArticle
AutoCar UKArticlePublished 2nd July

 
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Ok, let's break this down.

You did baulk at the idea of the Emira not being a 'brand new' car and argued it was. It was mentioned numerous times this just wasn't financially feasible but you rejected that idea because 'matt / lotus said so'. As for carry over, I quoted your post, it wasn't just design you mentioned and I specifically noted 'platform' which indeed doesn't carry over.

Addressing the personal statement:

I don't doubt or have a need, What actually happens is you get carried away with your enthusiasm for the brand and draw pollyannaish conclusions. You have a record of these then get super defensive when you're corrected or wrong.

Remember the Atlantis blue car you were adamant was Atlantis blue even after people (including myself) that lived in Dubai and had relationships with the people that hosted the event told you it wasn't? Even after the original instagram poster admitted the dates were wrong and matched the exact window the shadow grey car was there you still didn't agree. Was this rational?

The China i4 specification. You were once again adamant it was 360hp regardless of all the information available suggesting otherwise. Everything that didn't support your position was wrong - even the official lotus website for China.

There was the infamous wheel gap discussion when you were certain the original blue show car was not lowered intentionally, it was only due to the weight of the battery. It turns out (as made sense to everyone else) this also wasn't the case. You kept arguing still.

Then the 'detuned' V6 from the Evora to the Emira. Granted it was a very minor change (when compared to the GT not the 430) but it was one regardless. Once again, despite published figures by Lotus showing this (416 / 430 vs 400 give or take) you argued it wasn't the case.

So no, I don't have an issue with 'you' but it doesn't mean we have to agree on everything.
Yes, "let's" break this down.

It is a brand new car in that virtually all the parts are newly designed and tooled. Everybody knows this. They're not carryovers from previous Lotus models. That makes them brand new. It's a brand new body design they've never made before. It has a brand new interior they've never made before. It has brand new seats they've never made before. Those are just a few examples, and that makes it a brand new car whether you want to accept that or not.

It was made possible by the financial investment from Geely which was not insignificant, but since it's their last ICE car, Geely didn't make the investment just for that. They've made it abundantly clear their future is electric.

As for carryover... as I often do with you and some others, I have to elaborate because you see what you want to see and attack because that's what you want to do. Here's what I actually stated:

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You can clearly see in the very last sentence, where my reference to carryover was looks which is design, comfort which is design, and chassis improvements which is design and engineering. All those things can and will be carried over and become part of their electric designs, interiors, and chassis performance. Nowhere in my statement did I say "platform", yet you actually put that in quotes as though you were quoting me, so you could then dismiss what I didn't even say or imply.

You decide I get "carried away" because of something in you that I don't think you even see or realize. You see things I don't even say, and then you just have to oppose it. You decide what I'm saying is "pollyannish" and "wrong", then feel you are both superior and qualified to "correct" me. When I respond, in your estimation I'm being "super defensive" because I don't just automatically bow down to what you think are your superior declarations. You use phrasing that is condescending "Let's not do this", or "Let's not do that". That's the kind of attitude and phrasing of someone who thinks they're superior talking down to an inferior that needs to be "corrected".

I don't mind debate, or even if someone disagrees with something I've actually said, but I DO mind being talked down to.

Do you realize you have a list of all the things you think are my failings? Yet you don't think you have an 'issue' with me? I remember the Atlantic blue pic which to me looked authentic, but I don't remember still saying it was after that other information you mentioned. In fact I don't think I actually saw that, or I would have posted something about it afterwards.

The China i4? In the beginning I did believe it was 360 because that's what we were told the i4 would have. There wasn't "all the information available suggesting otherwise" that I saw. Nor did I just accept the different hp number for China until there was definitive information that revealed it was 400 and why. I don't just believe everything on the internet just because it's on the internet. If there's a contradiction, I want to know why and see proof to back it up.

The blue show car. The way it sat looked like it was weighed down, and that's what I said it looked like to me. It had a ton of batteries in it. (I love how because you think something, and maybe a couple others 'like' your posts, that automatically means everybody agrees with you.) I'm not hung up on wheel gap the way some are, so I have a different view of what looks good or not. The blue car didn't look good to me, and I took note of how the gray drivable car did NOT have a look like that, so I made the assumption that the blue car wasn't intended to look that lowered. Turns out it was as a studio model, but as usual with studio concept cars, the reality is they have to make changes to comply with regulations and reality. I said that too, and the "infamous" gap you mention is because the production cars aren't going to look like the blue studio model, but I don't get credit for talking about that, do I. You only see what you want to see. In your mind, it's Eagle7 against 'everybody', and you are of course one of the everybody's.

As for "detuned". So far, we haven't actually seen anything from Lotus to give us a final proof yet. We know what they originally printed a year ago, which hasn't changed, yet it was a journo yesterday that said it was detuned and why. Non Lotus people have claimed it was detuned, but people can and do claim anything, especially when they have an agenda to do so. We have images of an engineer's laptop showing an extra 200 rpm in the performance modes, which would be the difference between 400 and 416 hp. Gavan talked about how the car pulled to 7k rpm. We have Matt himself, the guy in charge of everything who should know what it has or hasn't, saying emphatically it has 416 hp. Those kinds of things are generally considered evidence. If that extra 200 rpm (and thus hp) are NOT going to be available on final production cars, then I'll acknowledge that what we saw and were told by Matt, turned out to not be accurate. If that's because they thought they'd be able to do it, but it turns out they couldn't because of regulations.... that's the way it goes. I'm not going call them liars, or disparage them. I know what it means and understand disclaimers like "Pre-production model. Specifications and features subject to change without notice."

When you keep track of everything I say, so you can list it, and then see and actually quote things that I haven't said, so you can dismiss them, that is what's known as having an issue with someone. You're not the only one. There are a few others who are somewhat similar. I chalk it up to that's the way the world is right now, because that symptom is all over the internet, and appears to be actually taught and reinforced in the current education system. There's an entire cottage industry of faux-scientific terms that are used to elevate this to make it appear scientific, and as a result, society is more divided and I see more hostility now than I can ever recall seeing. It's the absolute of: 'if someone doesn't agree with you, they are the enemy; track and attack at every opportunity. They have 'mistaken opinions' and it's your duty to 'reeducate' them.' It's very nearly destroyed normal conversation. Everything is now combat, attack and counter-attack. All of society is now a courtroom, and everyone wants to be the prosecutor.

Some of what I said above was generic, not at you specifically, but I'm certain no one else will point out to you the things I've pointed out, and I know you honestly don't see them. You feel you're doing the same things with me. I watch, I listen, I observe, and I consider. I may or may not agree, but I've taken your observations under consideration. Please consider mine, and think carefully before replying to what you think I've said. If you're unsure, ask...as you know I will respond and elaborate if necessary. Hopefully we can then avoid these kinds of interchanges in the future, as I'm sure the 'everyone' you mention is just as tired of it, as you and I are. Let this be the last one.
 
Absolutely.

Jethro has gone down in my estimations with this review. Not because he wasn't glowing with praise for the Lotus but because of how he (or Evo) went about this review.

It was lazy to just go to Angelsey, with an oddly convenient GT4 happening to be there at the same time, and then pick apart areas which were never going to be what he seemed to be looking for.

It's almost as if he's decided for himself that it's a track car and then complained that it's not.
Who cares it’s his opinion and he’s allowed to say and do what he wants. Lotus gave it to him and so be it. Changes nothing as far as I’m concerned. Never cared for what others say because I make up my own mind in the end. That’s life in general not sure why people are feeling butt hurt as the Emira got a less than glowing review 🤦🏻‍♂️🤣
 
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That’s life in general not sure why people are feeling butt hurt as the Emira got a less than glowing review 🤦🏻‍♂️🤣
Definitely agree we should all make our own minds up.
People are feeling butt hurt as this is the first time we have seen 'production' Emiras in the wild and there appears on initial assessment that we aren't getting exactly what Lotus has been promising for the last year.
Anyway going to get back in my box until I have driven it for myself
 
Don't really agree that Lotus should be there "taking feedback and making alterations" as if the opinion of one Evo journalist doing a dozen laps is more valuable than the thousands of hours spent in the car by professional engineers at Lotus.
but the lotus engineers are in many ways..and obviously, lotus biased and sometimes you cant see the wood for the bushes, and Hethel is Hethel, but we wont be driving around hethel.
You may need an external opinion to show you things you miss. I cant see any harm in it and Evo are not the only ones criticising the handling, gear change and steering even, virtually all the magazines do, so could it be they are all wrong and the Lotus guys are right?
Why not seek opinion? Its free, and its up to you what you do with it. If nothing else, it breeds good relations with these reviewers and while you may not care what they say and I may not care what they say, we are not the general buyer of these cars, no one on this forum is the real target market.
Anyway, it is what I personally would do. Every car company has their own engineers, doing thousands of hours of testing, they all know way more than we do, but one way or another, it certainly doesnt follow that they are all good cars to drive. Not even ferrari get it right all the time.... and according to Harry, not even Porsche do. I stick to my guns :)
 
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there appears on initial assessment that we aren't getting exactly what Lotus has been promising for the last year.

Don't know if this is really fair, I don't think Lotus ever said that the car will blow the socks off a Cayman GTS. In fact, when I saw Matt launch the Emira in Sydney he said, "we knew from the start that Lotus would fail if we tried to out-Porsche Porsche. We had to do something different with Emira."

I think one mistake they made over the past six months was to keep showing footage of the car on the Hethel track as a way of emphasizing the strong handling and Lotus DNA. Emira is the new Espirit (as they finally tried to reference with the white "James Bond" press car) it's a sporty grand tourer, not the ultimate track day weapon.
 
Yes, "let's" break this down.

It is a brand new car in that virtually all the parts are newly designed and tooled. Everybody knows this. They're not carryovers from previous Lotus models. That makes them brand new. It's a brand new body design they've never made before. It has a brand new interior they've never made before. It has brand new seats they've never made before. Those are just a few examples, and that makes it a brand new car whether you want to accept that or not.

It was made possible by the financial investment from Geely which was not insignificant, but since it's their last ICE car, Geely didn't make the investment just for that. They've made it abundantly clear their future is electric.

As for carryover... as I often do with you and some others, I have to elaborate because you see what you want to see and attack because that's what you want to do. Here's what I actually stated:

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You can clearly see in the very last sentence, where my reference to carryover was looks which is design, comfort which is design, and chassis improvements which is design and engineering. All those things can and will be carried over and become part of their electric designs, interiors, and chassis performance. Nowhere in my statement did I say "platform", yet you actually put that in quotes as though you were quoting me, so you could then dismiss what I didn't even say or imply.

You decide I get "carried away" because of something in you that I don't think you even see or realize. You see things I don't even say, and then you just have to oppose it. You decide what I'm saying is "pollyannish" and "wrong", then feel you are both superior and qualified to "correct" me. When I respond, in your estimation I'm being "super defensive" because I don't just automatically bow down to what you think are your superior declarations. You use phrasing that is condescending "Let's not do this", or "Let's not do that". That's the kind of attitude and phrasing of someone who thinks they're superior talking down to an inferior that needs to be "corrected".

I don't mind debate, or even if someone disagrees with something I've actually said, but I DO mind being talked down to.

Do you realize you have a list of all the things you think are my failings? Yet you don't think you have an 'issue' with me? I remember the Atlantic blue pic which to me looked authentic, but I don't remember still saying it was after that other information you mentioned. In fact I don't think I actually saw that, or I would have posted something about it afterwards.

The China i4? In the beginning I did believe it was 360 because that's what we were told the i4 would have. There wasn't "all the information available suggesting otherwise" that I saw. Nor did I just accept the different hp number for China until there was definitive information that revealed it was 400 and why. I don't just believe everything on the internet just because it's on the internet. If there's a contradiction, I want to know why and see proof to back it up.

The blue show car. The way it sat looked like it was weighed down, and that's what I said it looked like to me. It had a ton of batteries in it. (I love how because you think something, and maybe a couple others 'like' your posts, that automatically means everybody agrees with you.) I'm not hung up on wheel gap the way some are, so I have a different view of what looks good or not. The blue car didn't look good to me, and I took note of how the gray drivable car did NOT have a look like that, so I made the assumption that the blue car wasn't intended to look that lowered. Turns out it was as a studio model, but as usual with studio concept cars, the reality is they have to make changes to comply with regulations and reality. I said that too, and the "infamous" gap you mention is because the production cars aren't going to look like the blue studio model, but I don't get credit for talking about that, do I. You only see what you want to see. In your mind, it's Eagle7 against 'everybody', and you are of course one of the everybody's.

As for "detuned". So far, we haven't actually seen anything from Lotus to give us a final proof yet. We know what they originally printed a year ago, which hasn't changed, yet it was a journo yesterday that said it was detuned and why. Non Lotus people have claimed it was detuned, but people can and do claim anything, especially when they have an agenda to do so. We have images of an engineer's laptop showing an extra 200 rpm in the performance modes, which would be the difference between 400 and 416 hp. Gavan talked about how the car pulled to 7k rpm. We have Matt himself, the guy in charge of everything who should know what it has or hasn't, saying emphatically it has 416 hp. Those kinds of things are generally considered evidence. If that extra 200 rpm (and thus hp) are NOT going to be available on final production cars, then I'll acknowledge that what we saw and were told by Matt, turned out to not be accurate. If that's because they thought they'd be able to do it, but it turns out they couldn't because of regulations.... that's the way it goes. I'm not going call them liars, or disparage them. I know what it means and understand disclaimers like "Pre-production model. Specifications and features subject to change without notice."

When you keep track of everything I say, so you can list it, and then see and actually quote things that I haven't said, so you can dismiss them, that is what's known as having an issue with someone. You're not the only one. There are a few others who are somewhat similar. I chalk it up to that's the way the world is right now, because that symptom is all over the internet, and appears to be actually taught and reinforced in the current education system. There's an entire cottage industry of faux-scientific terms that are used to elevate this to make it appear scientific, and as a result, society is more divided and I see more hostility now than I can ever recall seeing. It's the absolute of: 'if someone doesn't agree with you, they are the enemy; track and attack at every opportunity. They have 'mistaken opinions' and it's your duty to 'reeducate' them.' It's very nearly destroyed normal conversation. Everything is now combat, attack and counter-attack. All of society is now a courtroom, and everyone wants to be the prosecutor.

Some of what I said above was generic, not at you specifically, but I'm certain no one else will point out to you the things I've pointed out, and I know you honestly don't see them. You feel you're doing the same things with me. I watch, I listen, I observe, and I consider. I may or may not agree, but I've taken your observations under consideration. Please consider mine, and think carefully before replying to what you think I've said. If you're unsure, ask...as you know I will respond and elaborate if necessary. Hopefully we can then avoid these kinds of interchanges in the future, as I'm sure the 'everyone' you mention is just as tired of it, as you and I are. Let this be the last one.
I wasnt going to, but as I took the trouble to read it all I think I earned the right to reply ;).
Firstly I feel superior to both of you, although its not justified by any real evidence, its just the 1066 bit of French in me ... I do like France by the way and they have the best driving roads for my taste.... I cant wait to get there in the Emira.
My favourite line "as you know I will respond" although I slightly take it out of context.

Very well written, you make my comments look like badly scribbled post it notes :).

I agree with the interesting point you make, which is obvious but I hadn't really thought about it too much and I misquote:

Lotus invested a certain amount of time and money based on certain expectations.... brilliant, because as you say, their sales expectations were probably half or less than what they have now. IF they knew they were going to have such a hit on their hands, I genuinely think they would have perhaps seeked out a new V6 engine and gear box, but as you said, and Ive said, you stick with what you know and avoid too much risk unless you can see a huge benefit and in the end they get the benefit without the risk. They probably wont care too much about Evo AND others, if the sales stay strong.... although I still say they will be busy trying to make some final tweeks as no one wants bad press either, not from any corners!
Its a shame they did not know what a hit they would have and hence could have made an even better car, but thats okay, I still think it will be a corker.
I keep saying it, but that wont stop me, no one will buy a Porsche, unless its a 911, especially the GT3touring, but even base model, I think looks stunning, and turn around while walking away and breath in from its beauty. The Cayman, Macan, Cayenne, whatever, they are all good, very good cars, even better cars, but they are as boring as Cricket and Baseball (couldn't insult one without the other (Ive been to the Atlanta Braves)) combined.
The next interesting thing will be to see how closely matched Jaguar's, Porsches and Lotus/alpine's electric sports cars are. I personally cant wait to see the designs and I hope they are all VERY close on specs, with really only the design separating them. I expect Jaguar to be the surprise package there.... they had an elecric hypercar set for release before all the others, but pulled the plug with a working protype out there if I recall... wrong market moment..shame... looked great. Although now they are focusing more on Very hugh end Bentley style cars, so not sure there will be an F type electric? I hope sooooooo. But it may in the end be a Ferrari type competitor and not a 718 type...
 
Don't know if this is really fair, I don't think Lotus ever said that the car will blow the socks off a Cayman GTS. In fact, when I saw Matt launch the Emira in Sydney he said, "we knew from the start that Lotus would fail if we tried to out-Porsche Porsche. We had to do something different with Emira."

I think one mistake they made over the past six months was to keep showing footage of the car on the Hethel track as a way of emphasizing the strong handling and Lotus DNA. Emira is the new Espirit (as they finally tried to reference with the white "James Bond" press car) it's a sporty grand tourer, not the ultimate track day weapon.
I can only say how I perceived the Emira launch based on the mixed messaging coming out of Hethel.
But I percieved it as THE drivers car. I never once thought that Lotus didn't think they could compete with Porsche dynamically so were instead going to try and out do Porsche in the most comfortable to use every day sports car arena...

 
Who cares it’s his opinion and he’s allowed to say and do what he wants. Lotus gave it to him and so be it. Changes nothing as far as I’m concerned. Never cared for what others say because I make up my own mind in the end. That’s life in general not sure why people are feeling butt hurt as the Emira got a less than glowing review 🤦🏻‍♂️🤣
Completely missing my point.

I like Jethro's reviews because he tells it how it is and really knows his stuff - I ordered my M4 off the back of EVO's less than glowing initial reviews of the F82 because the detail of what was and wasn't great pointed to it being just what I was looking for.

With this Emira review he's seemingly looked at it purely as a track car competitor to the Cayman. It's not what the Emira is supposed to be nor what I'd want it to be as mine definitely won't go nearer to a track than the spectator's car park at British GT races.

My criticism is nothing to do with him being critical of the car - who would want a falsely positive review? - but it seems like they had a GT4 at Anglesey for the day so fitted in a quick spin round in an Emira and "yeah, not as good..."

"Butt hurt" :rolleyes: doesn't come into it for me.
 
Completely missing my point.

I like Jethro's reviews because he tells it how it is and really knows his stuff - I ordered my M4 off the back of EVO's less than glowing initial reviews of the F82 because the detail of what was and wasn't great pointed to it being just what I was looking for.

With this Emira review he's seemingly looked at it purely as a track car competitor to the Cayman. It's not what the Emira is supposed to be nor what I'd want it to be as mine definitely won't go nearer to a track than the spectator's car park at British GT races.

My criticism is nothing to do with him being critical of the car - who would want a falsely positive review? - but it seems like they had a GT4 at Anglesey for the day so fitted in a quick spin round in an Emira and "yeah, not as good..."

"Butt hurt" :rolleyes: doesn't come into it for me.
My issue with his review isnt what he said, its really the way he said it and the way EVO did it. WHo cares that they had a GT4 by "coincidence" there, they didnt have to compare it, not yet, not now and not knowing they didnt have the track tyres.
From the first minute you knew it was going to be bad... his tone, body language, actual language was all pretty negative.
There are ways to give a car a slightly bad review and ways to give a car an encouraging review, and no effort was made to encourage Lotus, right until his very last words..he couldnt stop!
I can take a bad review, but a bit unprofessional to be so negative when everyone else was relatively positive! I really think there was more at play there than simply him telling it the way it is. Tell me the way it is, but dont give me any crap that you didnt want to steal the limelight by comparing it to the incomparable! His favourite car....
Bad form as they say.. bad form
 
Any reviews out today - interesting hearing all of the opinions.
I've calmed down a bit now and not taking it so personally - I can't help my overwhelming passion for things in general and this Emira is a dream come true for me.

I would like to see more people talking about the Emira 'as a whole'.
Do they get out smiling or do they 'feel' somewhat disappointed.
Do they look back at it as they walk away with a grin of contentment.

I'll probably part mine up, sit on a bench and stare at it for a few hours with my oldest son, pinching myself.
 
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^^^ Me - watching the handbags in this thread....

Jokes aside - if i hadnt have actually seen the Car (magma) in person last weekend,i admit that i'd be worried more about the reviews.
But you know what, after seeing and hearing it again, i have no fears whatsoever that this car is great and others peoples opinions will not matter at the end of the day - Smiles per Mile and all that....

Yes - my concerns were ironically commented on in a couple of reviews - The low rev limit, the clunky gear shift - but you know what, i had that in the Elise and im still back for more and as someone rightly pointed out - where in the real day to day driving are you going to be hooning it around exceeding 7k+ revs on the roads - short revs, more gear shifting, better feel of driving (in my eyes at least).

I for one cannot wait to get my final call this month and even if i wasnt completely sold by the manual, i'd sell and wait for the i4, because what else is there really that beats this on looks for that money?

Porsche are a dime a dozen, great cars but every man and his dog has one.

Be Unique, In a world full of Kardashians , be a Sophia Loren......
 
Porsche are a dime a dozen, great cars but every man and his dog has one.

Be Unique, In a world full of Kardashians , be a Sophia Loren......

At the launch, a member of the Lotus team presented a summary of the new Lotus brand positioning as part of Vision80. One of the ~4 main attributes of the target Lotus owner was "non-conformist, a bit of a rebel". I think that's what appeals to many of us about the Emira . . . we don't want to be yet another guy driving a Porsche (regardless of how good they are).
 
At the launch, a member of the Lotus team presented a summary of the new Lotus brand positioning. One of the ~4 main attributes of the target Lotus owner was "non-conformist, a bit of a rebel". I think that's what appeals to many of us about the Emira . . . we don't want to be yet another guy driving a Porsche (regardless of how good they are).
spot on!

i have been a Porsche guy, a few times, and can confirm they are absolute C0c#waffles!
 
At the launch, a member of the Lotus team presented a summary of the new Lotus brand positioning as part of Vision80. One of the ~4 main attributes of the target Lotus owner was "non-conformist, a bit of a rebel". I think that's what appeals to many of us about the Emira . . . we don't want to be yet another guy driving a Porsche (regardless of how good they are).
This is my issue though as prioritising comfort and softer dynamics does not a Rebel make! i think we all know which car the original Rebel would have chosen #JamesDean ;) Its either #forthedrivers or its not, in which case it appears like a bit of a cop out to gain bigger market share off the back of heritage whilst making lesser drivers feel good
 
Behind The Glass - FFWD to 43:00 for Emira content... #forthecontroversy :ROFLMAO:

 
A bit off topic but may cheer you all up anyway. All of this talk of a cr@p gear change and this video suddenly sprang to mind. 1:45 and 3:40 in. But honestly just watch it all.

I remember this one, brilliant. "Do you live around here?" :ROFLMAO:
 

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