Is the Automatic as good as Porsche PDK?

[luciddaydream]

I have always had Porsche 911 manuals..
But recently bought a 992 PDK 911 GTS

It took some time, but I am finally growing to like the PDK.
Its just so slick for downshifting on highways, etc.

I was wondering -- if I get a Emira automatic, will it shift gears as nicely as the Porsche?

Thanks a lot.

 

[981KMAN]

My understanding is the the Auto in the V6 is a Slush Box or Torque Converter Transmission, not a Double Clutch Transmission like the Porsche PDK. So to answer your question: For the Emira V6 the Auto Tranny will not be anywhere close to the Porsche PDK transmission performance.

For the Emira i4 that is a different story. The i4 does come with a DCT. I have not driven it yet, so I cannot comment on a comparison to the Porsche PDK.

 

[luciddaydream]

Cool -- all that stuff is stuff I was unaware of. Thanks I appreciate it.

 

[Porter]

The short answer is no.

But that would also be true for literally every other non-Porsche car under $200k on the market.

 

[DJS]

I can answer this for you as I have switched from a 911 992 PDK to a V6 auto box and I must say how impressed I am with it, is it as good probably not but with Lotus gearbox software update I can say I’m very impressed. The Emira is nearly as good when in auto mode but not as good when you’re on the flappy paddles but by no means a let down.

When you compare both cars against their price point the Emira is the bargain.

 

[Toomanyloti]

I have always had Porsche 911 manuals..
But recently bought a 992 PDK 911 GTS

It took some time, but I am finally growing to like the PDK.
Its just so slick for downshifting on highways, etc.

I was wondering -- if I get a Emira automatic, will it shift gears as nicely as the Porsche?

Thanks a lot.

going over old ground here but I'll say it again.
I bought the car because there was an auto option. I nearly bought an auto Evora before the release of the Emira. I spent some time attempting to find as much info as possible about the auto. A guy in the local Lotus club had a very rare V6 auto Exige for a time and he said it was fantastic. He sold it a while back and didn't have chance to have a ride.
My local specialist has had a few ips evoras in for service etc and both the guys there said they would go for the auto over the manual partly scared by the massive job changing the clutch on a manual.
I get the impression theres some sort of stigma being created surrounding the auto and this seems solely related to every fecker whos never even seen the car never mind driven one.
I have never driven a PDK or for that matter any other DCT so I cant help you compare. I have got three manual Loti to play with and that's enough manual boxes for me. The Esprit is particularly hard work in traffic. Exige and Elan no problem.
The box in the auto Emira is an Aisin normally fitted to an Avensis diesel incredible.
I can only comment on the I4 from videos I have seen online but it does not seem to shift any faster. I imagine it will shift more gears speed for speed so possibly more fun shifting more times?
The shift from first to second in auto foot flat to the bottom can seem a bit slushy as its hitting the rev limiter and trying to shift at the same time. If you shift up manually before the red line (easy because the shift lights on the dash tell you in good time) then it goes straight up.
I think its fantastic and way way better than I expected, in fact I don't know what all the 'armchair' fuss is all about regarding dual clutch and TC in this instance. I would like a go in the I4 as it fascinates me to compare. I'm sure it will be excellent.
Downshifts come with a rev blip, which is entertaining. Track mode is best and the sound is just fantastic again way better than I expected and i don't see me change anything from stock for the time being.
If you are peddling the car way faster than you should be on a public road it may not be the car for you but I would take this comment with a pinch of salt as i have not had enough time with it to say either way its just a hunch.

Any more questions just ask

PS - the paddle shifters could be a bit bigger and have a more positive 'click' so you defo know you have shifted. I think some will balk at the time you ask it to shift but it wont. I'm sure this is to stop the dickhead operator damaging the machine!!!!!!

V6 Auto Sound Clip - Track Mode - Everything stock/factory

www.emiraforum.com

 

[981KMAN]

I would respectfully disagree with @Toomanyloti for the following reason;

In his/her own words "I have never driven a PDK or for that matter any other DCT so I cant help you compare. "

So having never driven a DCT or Porsche's version PDK, I do not see how any conclusion can be made regarding the OP's question - "Is the [Emira's] Automatic as good as Porsche PDK?".

I thought many of my Sports Cars with Torque Converter Transmissions were just fine, until...... until a drove a Porsche PDK transmission and then it was "Game Over". Huge difference in how the car responds and drives! Now every car with a Torque Converter (Slush Box) transmission that I drive is noticeably crap IMHO. Why?

The technology of a Dual Clutch Transmission when implemented correctly, is far superior to that of a Torque Converter transmission. With a Torque Converter transmission, you press the throttle, the Engine spools up and roars to life and you just go nowhere until the torque converter builds pressure and even then you lose so much power as the engine is never in direct connection to the wheels. This is why it is referred to as a "Slush Box".

A PDK or Dual Clutch Transmission can be described as a Manual Transmission with two clutches that are servo controlled. Direct connection to the wheels with no Torque Converter fluid power loss - just like a standard manual transmission with a clutch.

Maybe I am a Transmission "Snob" yet once I drove a PDK, I would never buy another Sports Car with a Slush Box transmission. And each time I get into a Sports or "Sporty" car with a TC tranny, I can immediately feel all the slippage in the transmission..... Lots of Engine Revs, not much forward movement.

So my suggestion to the OP, since He/She has a Porsche PDK, is to go refresh your memory and drive anything with a Slush Box tranny and you will remind yourself of the significant difference in these technologies.

I am not disputing that @Toomanyloti likes the Auto Transmission in the V6 Emira, just that having never driven a PDK, he/she does not know what he/she is missing.

In full disclosure, I have driven over 130,000 miles across 2 different Porsche PDKs (which I still own) and love their performance. They are vastly superior to any TC tranny.

 

[DJS]

I would respectfully disagree with @Toomanyloti for the following reason;

In his/her own words "I have never driven a PDK or for that matter any other DCT so I cant help you compare. "

So having never driven a DCT or Porsche's version PDK, I do not see how any conclusion can be made regarding the OP's question - "Is the [Emira's] Automatic as good as Porsche PDK?".

I thought many of my Sports Cars with Torque Converter Transmissions were just fine, until...... until a drove a Porsche PDK transmission and then it was "Game Over". Huge difference in how the car responds and drives! Now every car with a Torque Converter (Slush Box) transmission that I drive is noticeably crap IMHO. Why?

The technology of a Dual Clutch Transmission when implemented correctly, is far superior to that of a Torque Converter transmission. With a Torque Converter transmission, you press the throttle, the Engine spools up and roars to life and you just go nowhere until the torque converter builds pressure and even then you lose so much power as the engine is never in direct connection to the wheels. This is why it is referred to as a "Slush Box".

A PDK or Dual Clutch Transmission can be described as a Manual Transmission with two clutches that are servo controlled. Direct connection to the wheels with no Torque Converter fluid power loss - just like a standard manual transmission with a clutch.

Maybe I am a Transmission "Snob" yet once I drove a PDK, I would never buy another Sports Car with a Slush Box transmission. And each time I get into a Sports or "Sporty" car with a TC tranny, I can immediately feel all the slippage in the transmission..... Lots of Engine Revs, not much forward movement.

So my suggestion to the OP, since He/She has a Porsche PDK, is to go refresh your memory and drive anything with a Slush Box tranny and you will remind yourself of the significant difference in these technologies.

I am not disputing that @Toomanyloti likes the Auto Transmission in the V6 Emira, just that having never driven a PDK, he/she does not know what he/she is missing.

In full disclosure, I have driven over 130,000 miles across 2 different Porsche PDKs (which I still own) and love their performance. They are vastly superior to any TC tranny.

Please drive the latest version of the V6 auto before judgment, @ 130.000 miles it looks as if you are referring to an older PDK gear box against an old slush box as you call them.

Yes you are right the PDK is superior of course it is but not by miles try the latest updated version.

Take it from me I have both.

 

[FederGigant]

I would respectfully disagree with @Toomanyloti for the following reason;

In his/her own words "I have never driven a PDK or for that matter any other DCT so I cant help you compare. "

So having never driven a DCT or Porsche's version PDK, I do not see how any conclusion can be made regarding the OP's question - "Is the [Emira's] Automatic as good as Porsche PDK?".

I thought many of my Sports Cars with Torque Converter Transmissions were just fine, until...... until a drove a Porsche PDK transmission and then it was "Game Over". Huge difference in how the car responds and drives! Now every car with a Torque Converter (Slush Box) transmission that I drive is noticeably crap IMHO. Why?

The technology of a Dual Clutch Transmission when implemented correctly, is far superior to that of a Torque Converter transmission. With a Torque Converter transmission, you press the throttle, the Engine spools up and roars to life and you just go nowhere until the torque converter builds pressure and even then you lose so much power as the engine is never in direct connection to the wheels. This is why it is referred to as a "Slush Box".

A PDK or Dual Clutch Transmission can be described as a Manual Transmission with two clutches that are servo controlled. Direct connection to the wheels with no Torque Converter fluid power loss - just like a standard manual transmission with a clutch.

Maybe I am a Transmission "Snob" yet once I drove a PDK, I would never buy another Sports Car with a Slush Box transmission. And each time I get into a Sports or "Sporty" car with a TC tranny, I can immediately feel all the slippage in the transmission..... Lots of Engine Revs, not much forward movement.

So my suggestion to the OP, since He/She has a Porsche PDK, is to go refresh your memory and drive anything with a Slush Box tranny and you will remind yourself of the significant difference in these technologies.

I am not disputing that @Toomanyloti likes the Auto Transmission in the V6 Emira, just that having never driven a PDK, he/she does not know what he/she is missing.

In full disclosure, I have driven over 130,000 miles across 2 different Porsche PDKs (which I still own) and love their performance. They are vastly superior to any TC tranny.

What was the last TC transmission that you drove? In modern BMWs for example the ZF transmission does in no way feel disconnected or slow by any means. Those transmission also bypass the converter most of the time, so there you have your direct connection as well.

 

[Lego Man]

I can answer this for you as I have switched from a 911 992 PDK to a V6 auto box and I must say how impressed I am with it, is it as good probably not but with Lotus gearbox software update I can say I’m very impressed. The Emira is nearly as good when in auto mode but not as good when you’re on the flappy paddles but by no means a let down.

When you compare both cars against their price point the Emira is the bargain.

I would agree, I've owned a couple off 911's with the PDK box, the V6 Auto Emira isn't the same and its not right to compare the two technologies, but it is very good, quick and smooth, is the PDK better yes, is the V6 Auto good, no its great.

 

[Mark.]

The comparison I'm keen to hear is between v6 auto and i4 dct...

 

[981KMAN]

What was the last TC transmission that you drove? In modern BMWs for example the ZF transmission does in no way feel disconnected or slow by any means. Those transmission also bypass the converter most of the time, so there you have your direct connection as well.

Are you saying that the Emira uses ZF's new "Instant Shift" gearbox?
I thought the Emira's Auto Tranny was an old school Toyota design...??

Please inform us with the correct information! Many Thanks.

Edit: I agree that the comparison I wish to hear more about is Emira's i4 DCT and the V6 TC. - And for those who prefer an Auto Transmission with a V6, go for it! You don't need a "top of the Line" auto transmission to have fun and enjoy driving. Buy what suits your needs and likes, then enjoy.

 

[CAWood]

I would respectfully disagree with @Toomanyloti for the following reason;

In his/her own words "I have never driven a PDK or for that matter any other DCT so I cant help you compare. "

So having never driven a DCT or Porsche's version PDK, I do not see how any conclusion can be made regarding the OP's question - "Is the [Emira's] Automatic as good as Porsche PDK?".

I thought many of my Sports Cars with Torque Converter Transmissions were just fine, until...... until a drove a Porsche PDK transmission and then it was "Game Over". Huge difference in how the car responds and drives! Now every car with a Torque Converter (Slush Box) transmission that I drive is noticeably crap IMHO. Why?

The technology of a Dual Clutch Transmission when implemented correctly, is far superior to that of a Torque Converter transmission. With a Torque Converter transmission, you press the throttle, the Engine spools up and roars to life and you just go nowhere until the torque converter builds pressure and even then you lose so much power as the engine is never in direct connection to the wheels. This is why it is referred to as a "Slush Box".

A PDK or Dual Clutch Transmission can be described as a Manual Transmission with two clutches that are servo controlled. Direct connection to the wheels with no Torque Converter fluid power loss - just like a standard manual transmission with a clutch.

Maybe I am a Transmission "Snob" yet once I drove a PDK, I would never buy another Sports Car with a Slush Box transmission. And each time I get into a Sports or "Sporty" car with a TC tranny, I can immediately feel all the slippage in the transmission..... Lots of Engine Revs, not much forward movement.

So my suggestion to the OP, since He/She has a Porsche PDK, is to go refresh your memory and drive anything with a Slush Box tranny and you will remind yourself of the significant difference in these technologies.

I am not disputing that @Toomanyloti likes the Auto Transmission in the V6 Emira, just that having never driven a PDK, he/she does not know what he/she is missing.

In full disclosure, I have driven over 130,000 miles across 2 different Porsche PDKs (which I still own) and love their performance. They are vastly superior to any TC tranny.

As someone who has come from a 718 Cayman GTS to a V6 Auto I can confirm the box is surprisingly impressive and great fun to drive. I’m not sure that one would ‘really’ notice much difference when in auto mode. It shifts well especially in track and gives a nice kick in the back which im very fond of! Of course it isn’t going to be as snappy at shifting, but I think it is great and does the job. When using the paddles I agree that the shifts are not as instant as a PDK, and the paddle click could be more positive, but you get used to it.

I can say I do not miss the PDK, or the Porsche in general!

Hope this helps somewhat.

 

[770K]

I've had an Evora S1 auto and a 400 auto and now an Emira auto.
The 400 auto is significantly better than the S1, but I can't tell much difference between the 400 and Emira.
My wife had a Macan gts with pdk and I didn't enjoy driving it withthe paddles as much as the 400.
Just wish the paddles were longer, not attached to the wheel and had a better click. The ones on her Stelvio are perfect.

 

[Toomanyloti]

I thought the Emira's Auto Tranny was an old school Toyota design...??

It is yes. Made by Aisin and I believe is the autobox from the lowly Avensis Diesel with software 'tuned' by Lotus.
Not a soul on earth would know when sat in the Emira at full chat. Like having a Space X rocket powered by water in a pop bottle and a footpump!!!

 

[981KMAN]

Well, with all the "Thumbs Up" for the Emira V6 Auto Tranny, I must reserve my opinion until one is available in the US for a test drive. As you can tell, I am not a fan of Torque Converter Transmissions in a Sports Car, yet I must reserve judgement until I have experienced it first hand.

Maybe a V6 Demo w/Auto will be available this fall or next year sometime.......