although... looking at this interior... some of it is passable, but this bit? Cheapest plastic...
How about if the Miata was 394 HP with better performance than a 718 GTS? Might take a few sales I would think. What holds back the Miata vs Boxster is of course brand, but performance is also a big one. Bring up the performance and there will be people that take it.
Yes, I guess it could an echo chamber issue.
For many people the miata is underpowered and so for many an extra 100 hp would be enough to get them into it. However for me, being a car snob.... its still a Mazda, same as the Z is still a Nissan, same as my ionic 5 is still a Hyundai, although it doesnt feel like it, and there is no way I ever see myself in a Miata now.
I agree... ok so maybe the next gen Miata if they do a good enough re-design lol... But yes brand/looks/rarity are obviously very important in a sports car. I am just arguing they could be close (re-design coming with more power)For many people the miata is underpowered and so for many an extra 100 hp would be enough to get them into it. However for me, being a car snob.... its still a Mazda, same as the Z is still a Nissan, same as my ionic 5 is still a Hyundai, although it doesnt feel like it, and there is no way I ever see myself in a Miata now.
Apart from the snobbery, I also think it looks a little crappy, the hard top makes it look like a toy car and its small too. I appreciate from my westfield days, small cars are more fun, 100%, but the miata looks..... I dont know, it just looks like something my 7 year old would play with on the carpet (If I had a 7 year old, which I dont).
I have a dutch friend who has one (not a 7 year old, although he does, but a miata), he thought about buying my Elise cup 250, but in the end he stuck with his miata special edition, with modified breaks, exhaust and Ohhhhlins, he loves it, but as my french friend said, its still a mazda. I think he will get a caterham in the end, but in the EU a new one costs you about 75k!!!!!..... imagine that!
I know car enjoyment should just be about the engine (turbo's not great for me), the steering, gear change and what have you, the same as my wife (dont have one) should be all about personality..... but, this is not the real truth no matter how many people say it is. People want a good looking car, people who can afford it, want to be seen in something cool....... and I want to date a sports illustrated cover girl..
I want sat in one that a friend owned, and I physically was too tall to be able to even drive it, and I'm only 6 ft 3 inches.
6 1 here filled it up (2009)
I can! #AsianPrivilege
But...... 1. no, as it will always be a mazda and even, even if it were more powerful and even if it were better looking than a 718 lets say, it would still be no for me... M A Z D A.... looks better with the spaces, but its not as good as L O T U S.
Aren't Porsches ultimately just cars for people who can't afford Ferraris? And aren't Ferraris ultimately just cars for people who can't afford Buggatis? And aren't...But...... 1. no, as it will always be a mazda and even, even if it were more powerful and even if it were better looking than a 718 lets say, it would still be no for me... M A Z D A.... looks better with the spaces, but its not as good as L O T U S.
2. Porsche spends an absolute fortune in every aspect of their cars, from design, to comfort, from interior materials, to their showroom design. There is as much chance as Mazda catching them in the sports car world as there is of Leicester winning the premier league.... with all the money the big teams can spend. And even if they do it (which they did) people will still not change from supporting the big teams.
A mazda interior, never mind exterior, will never ever get to porsche levels, the same as a Renault will never get to Bentley levels, it simply cant afford to.
Its a kudos thing too.... "look at me, I have money, I have been/am successful" and Mazda says "look at me, I like driving, maybe a better driver than you, but I cant afford a porsche" although clearly some probably can.
To each person, in each phase of their lives, different cars/manufacturer / models say different things to them and about them. There have been times when I would never have considered a porsche / bmw / ferrari as I have thought their owners were complete...xxxxx's, but now, while I still think that, I have joined them so I must be too haha. Ive never thought of Lotus in that way though......
However, I'd not "drop down" to a mazda.... its simply not special. However, if I had a cheap old westfield and had got fed up of getting wet and fixing the hand made piece of badly put together xxxxxxxx, then an MX5 with a few mods would make sense.
Anyway, I've said it before, but all this snobery (guilty) and great cars and designs etc, the best car I have ever driven is a westfield with a ford zetec 180HP engine, mazda gear box....... give me a day on deserted country roads (ie no one to see me in my ferrari) in any other car or this, and I would happily take this.... especially if it wasn't raining
How do you explain Honda NSX? - All I am saying is never say never... While I do not think the re-design of a Miata will be NSX levels at all. But a mid-tier brand like Mazda does have the ability to surprise if they want to. Don't forget the original rx-7 from the 1990's is considered and loved by many enthusiast. When one shows up (in original condition, not all moded) at cars & coffee it does get respect. Is it on the same level as an air cooled Porsche or Ferrari, no of course not. Sometimes the Japanese brands can surprise the Euro elites. Not very often, but possible. Snobbery aside, I appreciate the engineering to build cars like these. While many would include the Nissan GTR - I am not a fan of it's look. Same as the Z, supra... Those are just cars to make profits, and feel too normal imo. But sometimes, like the NSX, Lexus LFA, RX-7, Original Supra (not this current BMWBut...... 1. no, as it will always be a mazda and even, even if it were more powerful and even if it were better looking than a 718 lets say, it would still be no for me... M A Z D A.... looks better with the spaces, but its not as good as L O T U S.
2. Porsche spends an absolute fortune in every aspect of their cars, from design, to comfort, from interior materials, to their showroom design. There is as much chance as Mazda catching them in the sports car world as there is of Leicester winning the premier league.... with all the money the big teams can spend. And even if they do it (which they did) people will still not change from supporting the big teams.
A mazda interior, never mind exterior, will never ever get to porsche levels, the same as a Renault will never get to Bentley levels, it simply cant afford to.
Its a kudos thing too.... "look at me, I have money, I have been/am successful" and Mazda says "look at me, I like driving, maybe a better driver than you, but I cant afford a porsche" although clearly some probably can.
To each person, in each phase of their lives, different cars/manufacturer / models say different things to them and about them. There have been times when I would never have considered a porsche / bmw / ferrari as I have thought their owners were complete...xxxxx's, but now, while I still think that, I have joined them so I must be too haha. Ive never thought of Lotus in that way though......
However, I'd not "drop down" to a mazda.... its simply not special. However, if I had a cheap old westfield and had got fed up of getting wet and fixing the hand made piece of badly put together xxxxxxxx, then an MX5 with a few mods would make sense.
Anyway, I've said it before, but all this snobery (guilty) and great cars and designs etc, the best car I have ever driven is a westfield with a ford zetec 180HP engine, mazda gear box....... give me a day on deserted country roads (ie no one to see me in my ferrari) in any other car or this, and I would happily take this.... especially if it wasn't raining
) from the 1990's, they bring something special and different. Probably not going to happen to the next gen Miata tho...lol
You be you bro
I agree without the art comment
I loved the looks of that generation RX-7. Interestingly if you take inflation into account, the original price of that car at the time is about what the Emira costs today.How do you explain Honda NSX? - All I am saying is never say never... While I do not think the re-design of a Miata will be NSX levels at all. But a mid-tier brand like Mazda does have the ability to surprise if they want to. Don't forget the original rx-7 from the 1990's is considered and loved by many enthusiast. When one shows up (in original condition, not all moded) at cars & coffee it does get respect. Is it on the same level as an air cooled Porsche or Ferrari, no of course not. Sometimes the Japanese brands can surprise the Euro elites. Not very often, but possible. Snobbery aside, I appreciate the engineering to build cars like these. While many would include the Nissan GTR - I am not a fan of it's look. Same as the Z, supra... Those are just cars to make profits, and feel too normal imo. But sometimes, like the NSX, Lexus LFA, RX-7, Original Supra (not this current BMW
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