Any idea which version is lightest weight ?

[forest]

That's wrong! 1.405kg is DIN weight for the Base i4, 1.458kg is DIN weight for the V6FE (with automatic as @TomE said), so the 1.458kg includes the heavy seats, KEF audio system and all the other extra stuff that no other manufacturer ever included in their weight figures. DIN weight means all fluids filled up to 100%, fuel filled up to 90%, driver and luggage is NOT included.
@TomAce If the manual trans really is 11kg lighter than the auto, this would mean that the first edition V6 manual weighs 1447kg fully loaded with all it's extras. That's quite competitive and I'm sure an equally equipped GTS 4.0 is not lighter at all. One thing is for sure: The day the Emira enters my driveway, my scales will already lay there waiting for it.

This information was obtained from LCI in Japan (authorized exclusive importer in Japan)

Japanese.

http://www.lotus-cars.jp/news/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/EMIRA-V6-FIRST-EDITION-PRICE-SPEC-LIST-2021.10.29a.pdf

 

[xen]

I had thought the difference would be a bit more between the i4 and V6, this is good news for us V6 buyers

 

[FederGigant]

This information was obtained from LCI in Japan (authorized exclusive importer in Japan)

Japanese.

http://www.lotus-cars.jp/news/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/EMIRA-V6-FIRST-EDITION-PRICE-SPEC-LIST-2021.10.29a.pdf

They are probably wrong then. As I said, DIN is strictly defined as it means German industry standard, therefore it doesn't make sense (and with doesn't make sense I mean it is impossible) to have two different DIN weight figures for the same car.

 

[digilotus]

Looks like a few subtle leaks in thee PDF?

Cloth + leather seats in base edition?

Cloth dash trim in base edition?

KEF Audio specs:

KEF Premium 10 Channel Audio (Output 340W)
-6 (3 units) KEF Uni-Q speakers (left and right doors, center fascia)
－ 2 Woofer (Lower rear quarter)
－ 1 Fresh air subwoofer (dual 2 speakers)
-DCY11 / CX11 EU amplifier + Harman 8 channel booster

Apple CarPlay / Android Auto * Available by connecting to a smartphone (Bluetooth or USB) - so no Wireless CarPlay.

 

[Wolfram]

I have to admit that the I4 weight is very very impressive indeed. It costs dookie dollars to make a car that light today, equipped as it is.

... But a Cayman GTS 4.0 is only 1,405kg. With a V6. A Ferrari F8 with 710bhp turbocharged V8 is 1,435kg. The Emira really is not light, in any way whatsoever.

 

[FederGigant]

I had thought the difference would be a bit more between the i4 and V6, this is good news for us V6 buyers

The difference is expected to be 30 kg as TomE mentioned. The i4 is 20kg lighter than the V6 with all their respective periphery and the aluminum subframe for the i4 is another 10kg lighter than the steel frame for the V6.
If all those informations are correct, a base V6 would weigh in at 1435kg which means all the extras included in the first edition weigh 12kg to get to 1447kg for a manual transmission one. The auto trans is adding another 11kg which would make a total of 1458kg.

 

[FederGigant]

... But a Cayman GTS 4.0 is only 1,405kg. With a V6. A Ferrari F8 with 710bhp turbocharged V8 is 1,435kg. The Emira really is not light, in any way whatsoever.

Maybe you should read correctly. A V6 first edition is 1447kg. The 1405kg from the GTS 4.0 is without any extras. And as we all might know, everything is an extra in a Porsche. You have to add 20.000€ to get close to the Emira FE spec. Do you think those 20.000€ worth of extras don't add any weight?
The Ferrari is three times the price (at least). Therefore you could use more exotic materials to get it lighter. Silly comparison... The Emira is as light as it could possibly be for it's dimensions, power, features and price point.

 

[Porter]

Apple CarPlay / Android Auto * Available by connecting to a smartphone (Bluetooth or USB) - so no Wireless CarPlay.

Bluetooth is wireless... could still be supported. Wires honestly works better though.

 

[xen]

Apple CarPlay / Android Auto * Available by connecting to a smartphone (Bluetooth or USB) - so no Wireless CarPlay.

Wireless CarPlay really should be available here, I hope this isn't true.

 

[digilotus]

Bluetooth is wireless... could still be supported. Wires honestly works better though.

Apple Carplay without a cable requires both bluetooth and WiFi. Bluetooth doesn't have enough bandwidth for screen mirroring.

 

[FederGigant]

Looks like a few subtle leaks in thee PDF?

Cloth + leather seats in base edition?
View attachment 3711

Cloth dash trim in base edition?
View attachment 3712

KEF Audio specs:

KEF Premium 10 Channel Audio (Output 340W)
-6 (3 units) KEF Uni-Q speakers (left and right doors, center fascia)
－ 2 Woofer (Lower rear quarter)
－ 1 Fresh air subwoofer (dual 2 speakers)
-DCY11 / CX11 EU amplifier + Harman 8 channel booster

Apple CarPlay / Android Auto * Available by connecting to a smartphone (Bluetooth or USB) - so no Wireless CarPlay.

Good find. What I don't get are the Uni-Qs in the doors. This makes no sense at all if you know anything about HiFi. The special feature of the Uni-Q chassis is that they unify the midrange speaker and the tweeter in a single concentric chassis using the same magnet for both. However a tweeter should always be at the same hight as your ears, not your knees. And it gets even funnier: there obviously are separate tweeters where the used to be in any other car. Do we get the speaker grills in the mirror triangle without an actual tweeter behind it, because the only use this place for the standard sound system? Or do we get two tweeters per side? Both would be a bit awkward. I hoped for 4" Uni-Qs in the mirror triangles, but that's not what it looks like now...

 

[digilotus]

Wireless CarPlay really should be available here, I hope this isn't true.

Just for comparison, Porsche doesn't have wireless Carplay either. That's coming in PCM 6.0 and arrives in 911, Cayman and Panamera. 718s won't have it until the new model arrives... they're still on old PCM 3.2!

 

[digilotus]

Good find. What I don't get are the Uni-Qs in the doors. This makes no sense at all if you know anything about HiFi. The special feature of the Uni-Q chassis is that they unify the midrange speaker and the tweeter in a single concentric chassis using the same magnet for both. However a tweeter should always be at the same hight as your ears, not your knees. And it gets even funnier: there obviously are separate tweeters where the used to be in any other car. Do we get the speaker grills in the mirror triangle without an actual tweeter behind it, because the only use this place for the standard sound system? Or do we get two tweeters per side? Both would be a bit awkward. I hoped for 4" Uni-Qs in the mirror triangles, but that's not what it looks like now...

Being HiFi savvy myself you're spot on. I don't think there are any mirror triangle tweeters in the Emira. The tweeters are in the side doors and centre as part of the "Uni-Q" combined midrange speaker and tweeter design.

Counting one UniQ speaker as "2 speakers" is a bit disingenuous.

 

[xen]

Just for comparison, Porsche doesn't have wireless Carplay either. That's coming in PCM 6.0 and arrives in 911, Cayman and Panamera. 718s won't have it until the new model arrives... they're still on old PCM 3.2!

As is understand it, the hardware is built in, it's a software update required. This is different to the Emira if it doesn't have wifi. I use this a lot so it's important to me.

 

[forest]

Maybe you should read correctly. A V6 first edition is 1447kg. The 1405kg from the GTS 4.0 is without any extras. And as we all might know, everything is an extra in a Porsche. You have to add 20.000€ to get close to the Emira FE spec. Do you think those 20.000€ worth of extras don't add any weight?
The Ferrari is three times the price (at least). Therefore you could use more exotic materials to get it lighter. Silly comparison... The Emira is as light as it could possibly be for it's dimensions, power, features and price point.

1,405 kg is the dry weight not including oil and cooling water.
The 1,458 kg weight does not include passengers, but includes oil, cooling water, fuel, etc. required to operate the vehicle.
This is based on the official value announced in the UK home country on October 29, 2021.

However, it should be noted that these figures were targets at the time and may be subject to change in the future.

 

[digilotus]

As is understand it, the hardware is built in, it's a software update required. This is different to the Emira if it doesn't have wifi. I use this a lot so it's important to me.

Best to check with Lotus in writing. No WifI support is evident from what I've seen.

 

[xen]

Being HiFi savvy myself you're spot on. I don't think there are any mirror triangle tweeters in the Emira. The tweeters are in the side doors and centre as part of the "Uni-Q" combined midrange speaker and tweeter design.

I was going to reply to a post on another thread talking up KEF's speakers in a car...

Frankly you're not getting many advantages from concentric drivers in a car.

Technically speaking KEF drivers tend to have wide dispersion patterns with a consistent frequency response off-axis. This should help in a car where the tweeters aren't pointed directly at your ears (you don't have a single MLP) so they actually do help in this regard.

That said, at these distances you're essentially near-field and the benefits of coincident drivers diminished.

 

[FederGigant]

1,405 kg is the dry weight not including oil and cooling water.
The 1,458 kg weight does not include passengers, but includes oil, cooling water, fuel, etc. required to operate the vehicle.
This is based on the official value announced in the UK home country on October 29, 2021.

However, it should be noted that these figures were targets at the time and may be subject to change in the future.

Then you got that wrong either. 1.405kg is DIN weight for the base i4. 1.458kg is DIN weight for automatic V6 First edition with all it's spec. As you said, DIN is without passengers, but with liquids (100%) and fuel (90%). The 1.405kg is definitely a DIN figure! Everything else doesn't make sense. The i4 is 30kg lighter than the V6 (which it is said to be by TomE) and 90% of 60l of gas weigh in at 40,5kg. Then adding the oil and other liquids, I'm well below 1.400kg for the i4s dry weight. It should be at around 1.350kg completely dry. Which makes it roughly 90kg lighter than the before mentioned Ferrari F8, because they of course use the dry weight figure, not any DIN standard.
Another thing to consider is that most manufacturers just lie. I remember a Harry's Garage video where he weighed a car at 200kg more than the manufacturer originally stated. I think it was the new V8 Vantage.

 

[forest]

Apple Carplay without a cable requires both bluetooth and WiFi. Bluetooth doesn't have enough bandwidth for screen mirroring.

Please do not panic, everyone.
Carplay can work just fine with bluetooth alone.
I have confirmed that the genuine CarPlay in Japanese Mazda cars is connected only by Bluetooth.

 

[digilotus]

Please do not panic, everyone.
Carplay can work just fine with bluetooth alone.
I have confirmed that the genuine CarPlay in Japanese Mazda cars is connected only by Bluetooth.

For audio or phone calls maybe but not for apple maps navigation / apps / screen mirroring.