Emira Review Index [V6 FE]

emiraspain · Jun 8, 2022

by the way..EVO worried people... (myself a little included)
"(Lotus has promised us a fully finished car to try with the correct tyres within the month)". Indicates to me that they have communicated and it makes sense they may go with them and potentially modify a few things.. who knows...

maybe that one off "bad" review will come from a 6.5/10 up to an 8/10.... I feel thats pretty much where the car is or maybe 8.5 as its better looking than a young Uma Thurman...

Evotion · Jun 8, 2022

emiraspain said:
by the way..EVO worried people... (myself a little included)
"(Lotus has promised us a fully finished car to try with the correct tyres within the month)". Indicates to me that they have communicated and it makes sense they may go with them and potentially modify a few things.. who knows...

maybe that one off "bad" review will come from a 6.5/10 up to an 8/10.... I feel thats pretty much where the car is or maybe 8.5 as its better looking than a young Uma Thurman...

Also, looking at this more positively, it might have been enough to jolt Lotus into action that they might not have otherwise employed and we will indeed get that better car.

They read the forums so they know the score.
Is there a thread on 'The changes we would like to see to make the FE Emira better'?

emiraspain · Jun 8, 2022

Evotion said:
Also, looking at this more positively, it might have been enough to jolt Lotus into action that they might not have otherwise employed and we will indeed get that better car.

They read the forums so they know the score.
Is there a thread on 'The changes we would like to see to make the FE Emira better'?

surely we could make a whole tapestry out of that thread.. haha...
Im sure they will do whatever they can to keep 90% of the journalists happy, IF they feel their comments are justified and if they feel they do not compromise their overall strategy..... to sell cars..and not just to us here in this forum ...
I too am +ve... plus I am older than Uma anyway... No Im not...

MCS · Jun 8, 2022

It’s been nice having a couple of days off from talking about wheel gap

Every cloud…

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Leonard · Jun 8, 2022

Evotion said:
??? It was always not going to be an Exige or Emira. You actually pay more for the later versions of those.

We knew it was dialled down, heavier, softer and slower than the models that just preceded it.
People who still harp on about this, as one reviewer did, have completely missed the whole point of the Emia.

Did we though?
We were constantly told that it was a new model, even though we all knew it was an evolution of the Evora. We were also repeatedly told that it would outperform the Evora (and did outperform the Evora around Hethel, what were they benchmarking it against as again I had presumed the last run of Sport cars) as well as offer Porsche like levels of comfort (in not so many words)
This one car replaces ALL of Lotus's previous sports car models. So I for one expected it to be dynamically superior to the last run of Evoras of which it is comparable/an evolution of.

virtualmacho · Jun 8, 2022

MCS said:
It’s been nice having a couple of days off from talking about wheel gap

OK everyone, party's over. Let's get back to work.

Evotion · Jun 8, 2022

Leonard said:
Did we though?
We were constantly told that it was a new model, even though we all knew it was an evolution of the Evora. We were also repeatedly told that it would outperform the Evora (and did outperform the Evora around Hethel, what were they benchmarking it against as again I had presumed the last run of Sport cars) as well as offer Porsche like levels of comfort (in not so many words)
This one car replaces ALL of Lotus's previous sports car models. So I for one expected it to be dynamically superior to the last run of Evoras of which it is comparable/an evolution of.

Was thinking about the 430 variants. More powerful, lighter, more agile, more noise, less comfort.

But, yes, one of the majorly upsetting things for me in a couple of the reviews is that we were promised that the Emira was a step up in performance from the Evora - which might be true against a 400 but certainly not as against the higher power versions. Still, they have a month

Leonard · Jun 8, 2022

Evotion said:
Was thinking about the 430 variants. More powerful, lighter, more agile, more noise, less comfort.

But, yes, one of the majorly upsetting things for me in a couple of the reviews is that we were promised that the Emira was a step up in performance from the Evora - which might be true against a 400 but certainly not as against the higher power versions. Still, they have a month

I honestly thought they were bench marking the 430 and that even with 416bhp the Emira would be dynamically superior/faster due to the move on in design and technology.
If Lotus are really talking about a 430 Emira Sport swan song in 2024 Im already over it... I hate feeling like this, but it is a big anti climax. I feel like I am getting that facelifted Evora 400 now, that we were told was not the case.
Have asked about test drives today as no way Im buying 'blind'

Cachaco131 · Jun 8, 2022

NickR said:
I take it people may know but Mr Catchpole has reviewed the car, it's the EVO road review which is him in the sports + GY setup.
He rates it, a couple of small niggles but nothng major

Is there a link? Which magazine?

frazzer · Jun 8, 2022

Leonard said:
I honestly thought they were bench marking the 430 and that even with 416bhp the Emira would be dynamically superior/faster due to the move on in design and technology.
If Lotus are really talking about a 430 Emira Sport swan song in 2024 Im already over it... I hate feeling like this, but it is a big anti climax. I feel like I am getting that facelifted Evora 400 now, that we were told was not the case.
Have asked about test drives today as no way Im buying 'blind'

According to the Lotus guy who arranges the press cars I spoke too at the roadshow at B&C, they benchmarked against the Cayman GT4 and M2 as well as the Evora (don't remember models) at Hethel and they engineered it to come out on top, he'd driven all of them. But I guess this could mean a lot of things including what kind of driver they are targeting - or simply wishful thinking. He also suggested there was no perceptible difference between 400hp and 416hp. .

Eagle7 · Jun 8, 2022

Leonard said:
I honestly thought they were bench marking the 430 and that even with 416bhp the Emira would be dynamically superior/faster due to the move on in design and technology.
If Lotus are really talking about a 430 Emira Sport swan song in 2024 Im already over it... I hate feeling like this, but it is a big anti climax. I feel like I am getting that facelifted Evora 400 now, that we were told was not the case.
Have asked about test drives today as no way Im buying 'blind'

Perhaps at some point, once final cars are released, somebody will do a track test comparing the 430 to the Emira, but it would need to be a base V6 with a manual to be fair. Even still, the Emira was designed to be better well-rounded, so as to appeal to a much wider audience than the hardcore enthusiasts that bought the Evora. Lotus set the Cayman as their target, and by all accounts, they've gotten close enough for the Emira to be the sales winner they needed it to be. I don't think they intended it to be the next generation Evora. They needed it to be different than that.

I expect the performance monster is going to be the Type 135 which will likely blow away the Emira, however it won't be an ICE car. It will have whatever will become the standard characteristics that electric cars will have. I also expect by the time it comes out, it won't be under $100k U.S. either. All electric cars are already going up in price due to the dramatic increases in the prices of Lithium, and there's no indication that's going to go down anytime soon, if at all. If there's one thing that's going to be the Achille's Heel of the electric future, it's going to be the cost.

To me, the Emira stands out as the overall best bang for the buck if you're looking for something special, gorgeous, capable and fun. I can't get the image out of my mind of Harry laughing and grinning while driving and reminding himself that he's supposed to be talking about dislikes. That already didn't matter to him at that point. The Emira had won him over. I think that's going to be the signature effect of the Emira, especially for people who are looking at a Lotus for the first time. The hardcore Lotus enthusiast looking for the next level Evora are probably not going to be necessarily impressed. They weren't looking for creature comforts and conveniences; they want more power. They'll want to be looking at the final edition Emira, as that will be the true comparable to the final edition Evora.

emiraspain · Jun 8, 2022

Cachaco131 said:
Is there a link? Which magazine?

2023 Lotus Emira review – strong showing for Porsche Cayman GTS rival | Evo

The first new Lotus for a generation, and the last to be petrol powered, shows great promise but needs some polish

www.evo.co.uk

but its not catchpole its stuart gallagher, unless they did two......
all these guys seem to work freelance sometimes and hence maybe catchpole is in another magazine review... personally I dont trust him... hes smarmy and contrived, not natural at all... would harry have given him a job back in the day? He always seems to tell you what you want to hear, or what the manufacturer wants you to hear... dont know, but him and the guy at carfection, the driver jackets, the jeans.... the whole look to try and look cool.....

they should work for porsche.. haha

emiraspain · Jun 8, 2022

frazzer said:
According to the Lotus guy who arranges the press cars I spoke too at the roadshow at B&C, they benchmarked against the Cayman GT4 and M2 as well as the Evora (don't remember models) at Hethel and they engineered it to come out on top, he'd driven all of them. But I guess this could mean a lot of things including what kind of driver they are targeting - or simply wishful thinking. He also suggested there was no perceptible difference between 400hp and 416hp. .

one of the reviews says the engine is 395 or 6 HP...... I dont even know what HP my car is now. ahh

Leonard · Jun 8, 2022

Eagle7 said:
They'll want to be looking at the final edition Emira, as that will be the true comparable to the final edition Evora.

Without glossing over everything else you have said this is an issue for me though. I dont want to wait 2, 3 or 4 years to compare a run out Emira with a run out of a previous Lotus model that came out in 2009...
I have argued against the naysayers on here that have said that the Emira is not moving the game on enough from the Evora. But I think based on what I have seen so far (and its early days) they are probably correct. The base Emira should have been at least as fast and as dynamically capable as the run out Evora. No doubt someone will do that test soon and that will be more interesting than how it compares to a GT4

Wolfram · Jun 8, 2022

emiraspain said:
one of the reviews says the engine is 395 or 6 HP...... I dont even know what HP my car is now. ahh

EVO review states 394bhp, so apoarently six horses have galloped off since Lotus last released specs...

MaybeNeedEmira · Jun 8, 2022

daniel heald said:
Damned if you do and damned if you dont . Various suppliers are not delivering the parts to the factory.
Taking into account world events this is probably the best car Lotus could offer to Journos. May be even all the car Lotus could put together due to the circumstances. How would these pages be if Lotus had said, Sorry cant do first road tests until July/August.
No this is less than ideal and Lotus are doing there best to keep moving forward.

I found most interesting HM checked in with Lotus when he had a concern. JB did not. To me his concern on the front end on Sport/Goodyears being sub optimal was worth a call to Lotus.

Over all I am glad I am a some ways down the delivery date here in Canada. I continue to be happy with my intended purchase of an Emira.

I just get so irritated when the jounos cross shop first edition with a base 918 4lt GTS and then give it to the 918 mentioning price as a key point in 918 favour. Could they at least compare base to base car. Or price the options in to make the spec of the two cars the same. Sloppy un-professional work.

My beefs
Perhaps the cup holders are better now in the 918. Mine were quite frankly charlie romeo alfa papa. I had two choices. Use them and break them or keep them for decoration as it is a majot trim item in front of the passenger. Were they on a Lotus they would be panned was my take.

Adjustable dampers are a lovely toy on a new car. But with time they raelly show their weaknesses. My local private Porsche shop sees Bistien adjustables on Porsches as a very poor cheap option for suspension on 911s. They much prefer the tuned shock to spring for ride, comfort and handling. Not sure how journos miss this. May be it is the luxury of a new loaner car every week and not having to actually bear the cost or running costs.

#ForTheCupHolders

Seriously, I think people will take test drives when they can, and option a base (when they can) with what they want THEN compare price/value and availability to competitors.
Porsche 718/982 wise, GTS/4.0 is close to a FE-V6, and S is very close to I4-AMG.

freefall_junkie · Jun 8, 2022

Leonard said:
Have asked about test drives today as no way Im buying 'blind'

No doubt they gave you the same 'more information on test drives coming soon' bollocks they have been trotting out for months? I have heard that so many time now it is beyond a joke.

Davidexige · Jun 8, 2022

digilotus said:
No review from Shmee150 yet. Strange as he is usually one of the very first to release a review.

Think he’s still in America at the moment, perhaps he didn’t have time to do his review before he went over there. Will be interesting to see what he says.

Eagle7 · Jun 8, 2022

Leonard said:
Without glossing over everything else you have said this is an issue for me though. I dont want to wait 2, 3 or 4 years to compare a run out Emira with a run out of a previous Lotus model that came out in 2009...
I have argued against the naysayers on here that have said that the Emira is not moving the game on enough from the Evora. But I think based on what I have seen so far (and its early days) they are probably correct. The base Emira should have been at least as fast and as dynamically capable as the run out Evora. No doubt someone will do that test soon and that will be more interesting than how it compares to a GT4

Yes I know and actually do understand, but their goals weren't a replacement for the Evora. The Emira is aiming at a wider audience. Also, consider how long it took the Evora to get to being the 430; from 2009 to 2021. I don't think the new Lotus is going to take that long, they're in a much better position financially to be able to develop things faster, but this is their last ICE car. They're not going to throw a ton of additional development money into it; that money is going into the electric cars. Once the Type 135 is revealed and its performance just blows away the Emira, as long as it looks at least equally as good, what do you think will happen to Emira sales?

Even if the Type 135 is $100k, the people with the money who want that kind of stellar performance are going to want it instead of the Emira. The seduction of raw performance will just be too great. How many of us would jump at getting an Evija instead of an Emira if it was $100k? Matt said they're expecting to scale back Emira production to about 500 cars a year. He didn't specifically say why or when, but I'm sure he's thinking of what's going to happen once the Type 135 comes out. He said he's seen it already. I can only imagine what Russell and his team have done with essentially an electric version of the Emira.

It's going to be stunningly fast, but it won't sound or feel like an ICE car, and for me, that's more important than raw performance, which is why I'm all-in for an Emira.

christophermalex · Jun 8, 2022

This is likely a gross over-simplification of things but is my summary of the reviews and comments on this thread.

1. Reviewers love how it looks, all of us love how it looks, have we all mentioned it looks amazing and has killer looks that are also functional?

2. The interior looks great (but still no in-depth understanding of the FINAL seats and leather to understand how it will hold up over time for those of us considering something bold like the Ice Grey or Red..... which I'm not willing to roll the dice on if it is at risk of becoming saggy and baggy, in which case Alcantara is not a bad fall back)

3. The engine is still the de-tuned engine from Evora. The transmission is still the Evora. There is not a lot to say about the engine or transmission because it is what Lotus has used for years. But remember how great it looks?!.... And it has a manual transmission so

4. The suspension and tires and steering are great and sport and touring are both great:
Sport = You know you're in a true sports car so suck it up buttercup. Stiff with purpose
Touring = Don't worry, no one outside knows how comfortable you are. They're convinced you're in a true sports car because remember how beautiful it is?!

5. In conclusion, if you loved it before there's no reason not to still be happy about being in line for this car. If you considered Porsche but wanted something unique and capable, congratulations. If you live in the US and loathe the Corvette crowd and can't wait for attention everywhere you go, congratulations. If you wanted to become Michael Schumacher ripping past your loser friends at every track day, calm down..... you're still not capable of handling more car than this is, drive it hard and fast on the limit, and now you're doing it in something that looks freaking awesome!!

**My theory is the biggest drawback for reviews is not Lotus it is Toyota. If Lotus had sorted out things with AMG and made this a full-beans M139 engine with both a manual and DCT option it would've blown us all away. Instead, they played it safe which is ok. And it looks amazing too. Looking forward to my AMG-powered version if/when available

Reviewer	Type	Direct Link
Edmunds	Article	New Lotus Emira Is Worth the Wait \| Edmunds The 2022 Lotus Emira, powered by a supercharged 3.5-liter V6, is both the end and the beginning of an era as the automaker transitions to a world of fully electrified supercars and crossovers. www.edmunds.com
Harry's Garage (Harry Metcalfe)	Video Review	Harry drives the Sports and Tour suspension back to back on the same road and shares his thoughts.
Schmee150 (Tim Burton)	Video Review	Published 21st June Bought the Right Car?! LOTUS EMIRA V6 FIRST DRIVE The countdown is on! The folks at Lotus have delivered an Emira V6 First Edition to @TheShmuseum in a near-identical spec to my inbound car, to take for a fi... www.youtube.com
Carwow (Mat Watson)	Video Review	Lotus Emira review - and my BANNED test! Looking to sell your car? Then you've come to the right place. carwow is the free, easy way to change your car online. Check it out here: https://bit.ly/Buy-... www.youtube.com
TopGear	Articles and Video	Published 3rd July Chris Harris talks about the Lotus Emira Chris Harris On… The All-New Lotus Emira \| Top Gear Series 32 “I’d feel a bit scared if I were a McLaren or an Aston Martin at the moment” Chris Harris chats to Top Gear Magazine’s Jack Rix about the all-new Lotus Emira... youtu.be Published 20th June Lotus Emira Review 2023 \| Top Gear The last ever petrol-powered Lotus looks fantastic and drives with precision, but not quite as much emotion as we might’ve hoped www.topgear.com The big sportscar test: Lotus Emira vs Porsche Cayman vs Alpine A110 www.topgear.com
AutoTrader (Rory Reid)	Video Review	NEW Lotus Emira: The Last REAL Lotus? \| 4K Rory reviews the new Lotus Emira, Lotus' last ever petrol sports car. Soon the company will transition to electric cars, but for this last hurrah the Emira p... www.youtube.com
Evo	Article and Video Review	2023 Lotus Emira review – strong showing for Porsche Cayman GTS rival \| Evo The first new Lotus for a generation, and the last to be petrol powered, shows great promise but needs some polish www.evo.co.uk
CAR	Article and Video Review	Published 22nd July Lotus Emira vs Porsche Cayman GTS vs Alpine A110 group test review CAR magazine UK compares the Lotus Emira sports car with the Porsche 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 and Alpine A110 S www.carmagazine.co.uk Lotus Emira (2023) review: new 2.0-litre engine driven The brand new Lotus Emira, tested on road and track by CAR magazine. www.carmagazine.co.uk Lotus Emira vs Cayman 718 GTS vs Alpine 110s
Autocar	Article and Video Review	Lotus Emira V6 First Edition 2022 UK first drive \| Autocar Most important Lotus in decades heralds a new era and sees out an old one, being the firm's last petrol sports car www.autocar.co.uk
Pistonheads	Article	2022 Lotus Emira \| PH Review The Emira is one step closer to production-ready. And the good news (mostly) keeps coming www.pistonheads.com
KHTV	Video Review
The Drive	Article	2023 Lotus Emira First Drive Review: Lotus Grows Up, and Just in Time The Lotus Emira is the last of its kind, the final gas-powered car from the legendary company. And what a thrilling sendoff it is. www.thedrive.com
AutoExpress	Article	New Lotus Emira V6 First Edition review \| Auto Express We hit road and track in the new Lotus Emira - the model that redefines the brand as a sports car maker www.autoexpress.co.uk Pictures: New Lotus Emira 2022 review - pictures \| Auto Express Pictures of the new Lotus Emira www.autoexpress.co.uk
WhichCar	Article	2022 Lotus Emira review: V6 First Edition, international launch Lotus wants to compete with daily-driver premium sportscars like the Cayman and its new Emira V6 First Edition is a big step in the right direction www.whichcar.com.au
CarBuyer	Article	Lotus Emira coupe review \| Carbuyer “The Emira marks a big step on in terms of design and quality for Lotus, and it’s great to drive” www.carbuyer.co.uk
Hagerty	Article	Lotus Emira first drive review: Will the fab four become the famous five? \| Hagerty UK Is the Emira good enough to turn the fab four – Elite, Elan, Esprit, Elise – into the famous five? Read Andrew Frankel's review to find out. www.hagerty.co.uk
Road and Track	Article	Published 1st September Lotus Emira Road and Track Drive The Lotus Emira Is One of the Greats Lotus's final combustion-engined sports car starts a new era for the English automaker, and a prime example of what a well-funded Lotus can build. www.roadandtrack.com The 2023 Emira Is an All-Time High For Lotus The Emira comes from a bygone era. www.roadandtrack.com
Goodwood	Article	First Drive: Lotus Emira 2022 Review \| GRR The Emira is the final combustion-engined Lotus, and it might finally be a match for the Porsche Cayman... www.goodwood.com
The Intercooler	Podcast	Reasonably good post-embargo Emira discussion on The Intercooler. Apple Podcasts Web Embed embed.podcasts.apple.com
Motortrend	Article	2023 Lotus Emira First Drive Review: The Porsche Substitute Don’t want a Porsche Cayman? Try this. www.motortrend.com
Drive	Article	2022 Lotus Emira review: International first drive With a reborn and reinvigorated Lotus looking to a new and very different future, is the Emira the first excuse-free Lotus? www.drive.com.au
AFR	Article	Lotus takes on Porsche with its $185,000 Emira This is a street car for buyers who appreciate luxury and great looks – although with a claimed top speed of 290km/h, it’s no slouch on the racetrack. www.afr.com
Parkers	Article	Lotus Emira Review (2024) Lotus Emira (2024) in-depth review. Read our experts' views on the engine, practicality, running costs, overall performance and more. www.parkers.co.uk
CarExpert	Article	2023 Lotus Emira review: First drive We drive the last Lotus without electrification around Mount Panorama to see if it's a worthy contender to the Porsche 718 Cayman. www.carexpert.com.au
Caffeine & Machine	Article	Caffeine & Machine Hitting the Alps in the summer, chasing the #cultofmachine in the brand spanking new Lotus Emira. Soul food at its best, delivered in spades across the myriad of special alpine roads littering the... www.facebook.com Photos on Instagram: Caffeine&Machine on Instagram: "Hitting the Alps in the summer, chasing the #cultofmachine in the brand spanking new Lotus Emira. Soul food at its best, delivered in spades across the myriad of special alpine roads littering the region. It would be 1,055 likes, 8 comments - caffeineandmachine on June 13, 2022: "Hitting the Alps in the summer, chasing the #cultofmachine in the brand spanking new Lotus Emira. Soul food at its best, delivered in spades across the myriad of special alpine roads littering the region. It would be so easy to... www.instagram.com
The Sunday Times Driving	Article	Lotus Emira V6 2022 on-track review: Lotus's last petrol car is more than significant ... it's good This isn't going to be one of our usual reviews, because our test drive of the new Lotus Emira wasn't usual, either, having experienced just three and a half laps behind the wheel around Goodwood Motor Circuit,. www.driving.co.uk
Car and Driver	Article	2023 Emira Is a Grown-Up Lotus The last gas-powered Lotus also may be the first you don't have to make excuses for. www.caranddriver.com
The Sun	Article	I've driven the Lotus Emira - you can use it every day and it's saving BRITAIN THERE’S only one type of person who wouldn’t fall in love with the Lotus Emira. Those Twitter-dwelling keyboard warriors who think they know more about cars than everyone else. I’ve seen a few comm… www.thesun.co.uk
AutoCar UK	Article	Published 2nd July Lotus Emira vs Porsche 718 Cayman \| Autocar Lotus’s new sports car is a great car in its own right - but can it hold its own against the class leader? www.autocar.co.uk

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