Emira Review Index [V6 FE]

Lotustoronto · Aug 7, 2023

Shahaf2911 said:
will go up tomorrow.

Thanks for the link.... Jay holds a lot of clout in the US for his reviews, although he doesn't criticize much. You have to read in-between the lines during his reviews a bit, but the exposure for Lotus is big. If he says anything along the lines of "collectable" or "he may add one to the garage" - this will certainly add to the Emira's waitlist at dealers.

So far all US reviews have been very positive, much more so than UK media outlets had been. I'm sure pre-prod cars add to that a bit. (apart from Doug D's review which I felt was in the middle) Then again, no US review has been on track. Also, they haven't compared the Emira to any supercars like Mclarens or GT4RS or Ferrari's. (which it shouldn't be anyway)

Lotustoronto · Aug 7, 2023

Just watched - Besides a few errors in his review (corvette making manuals?, Electrical problems are past?) it was a great review for the Emira. Biggest take away is when he said " The Lotus name belongs among Ferrari & Mclaren" - That is a big statement from a car collector like himself.

VL3X · Aug 7, 2023

Jay loved the Evora so no surprise he loved the Emira. Having driven both, I agreed with mostly everything he said. Looking forward to the i4 reviews dropping this afternoon.

EspritGuy · Aug 7, 2023

Lotustoronto said:
Just watched - Besides a few errors in his review (corvette making manuals?, Electrical problems are past?) it was a great review for the Emira. Biggest take away is when he said " The Lotus name belongs among Ferrari & Mclaren" - That is a big statement from a car collector like himself.

Quote: 'Get one now because they are going fast, and they go fast,'

K_Squared · Aug 7, 2023

Really enjoyed the review. It renewed/reinvigorated my excitement for the months ahead. Jay has a nice, subtle way that he reviews cars that gives him some real believability. It's like he's just your neighbor across the street enjoying cars that are made to be enjoyed. Loved it.

DerTheDer · Aug 7, 2023

Thanks for posting the Jay Leno review. I always enjoy his reviews.

Aero · Aug 7, 2023

Spot on Jay review. I'm glad Jay complained about not having round gauges. I really dislike the gauge setup (so far). Although that makes me feel old since I relate. If he noticed no oil pressure gauge he probably wouldve complained about that too.

VL3X · Aug 7, 2023

Aero said:
Spot on Jay review. I'm glad Jay complained about not having round gauges. I really dislike the gauge setup (so far). Although that makes me feel old since I relate. If he noticed no oil pressure gauge he probably wouldve complained about that too.

How about no temp gauge in the Evora?

All I got is a blue light when it's still cold and apparently there a red one if she starts to overheat.

Aero · Aug 7, 2023

VL3X said:
How about no temp gauge in the Evora? All I got is a blue light when it's still cold and apparently there a red one if she starts to overheat.

I think that's actually worse. Whats wrong with manufactures not including this stuff? Got to go..kids on my lawn.

ADC · Aug 7, 2023

Aero said:
I think that's actually worse. Whats wrong with manufactures not including this stuff? Got to go..kids on my lawn.

Don't forget to re-vulcanize your tires while you're up... saves your knees and back the extra wear and tear of getting up twice!

Max · Aug 7, 2023

Aero said:
Spot on Jay review. I'm glad Jay complained about not having round gauges. I really dislike the gauge setup (so far). Although that makes me feel old since I relate. If he noticed no oil pressure gauge he probably wouldve complained about that too.

Only thing that made me sad is that Jay is showing his age. Couldn't stop thinking about it.

Lotustoronto · Aug 7, 2023

Max said:
Only thing that made me sad is that Jay is showing his age. Couldn't stop thinking about it.

I thought the same thing. I'm not from that generation, but have a lot of respect for the Boomers. Sad to see.

R1272 · Aug 7, 2023

Lotustoronto said:
I thought the same thing. I'm not from that generation, but have a lot of respect for the Boomers. Sad to see.

The most disingenuous thing about EVERY SINGLE REVIEW is that there's zero mention of the sh!t show of problems discussed on this forum. Leno gets a pass, he's in it for the fun. But every single automotive journalist that hasn't mentioned the concerns on here is a fraud.

If they didn't do their research and look at what the Emira community is saying they are a fraud.
If they did do their research, saw this forum and didn't report on it, they're a fraud.

I'm like most of you on here. When there's a new review, I drop everything and watch. It usually sucks me in and makes me second guess what I'm debating, but then reality hits when I log back on here and read the thread of the day like today's: "NZ new delivery.......not a great start".

Actual owner experiences should be worth much more to us than a reviewer talking for 20 minutes about how well the car handles on a windy road. Like...duh.

I just want some honesty.

Lotustoronto · Aug 7, 2023

Flash said:
The most disingenuous thing about EVERY SINGLE REVIEW is that there's zero mention of the sh!t show of problems discussed on this forum. Leno gets a pass, he's in it for the fun. But every single automotive journalist that hasn't mentioned the concerns on here is a fraud.

If they didn't do their research and look at what the Emira community is saying they are a fraud.
If they did do their research, saw this forum and didn't report on it, they're a fraud.

I'm like most of you on here. When there's a new review, I drop everything and watch. It usually sucks me in and makes me second guess what I'm debating, but then reality hits when I log back on here and read the thread of the day like today's: "NZ new delivery.......not a great start".

Actual owner experiences should be worth much more to us than a reviewer talking for 20 minutes about how well the car handles on a windy road. Like...duh.

I just want some honesty.

Some have mentioned the issues, I am thinking @JayEmm 's review. Throttle House mentioned part of it - at least in the Evora review they did. Chris Harris touched on servicing Lotus' cars vs Porsche.

Pegasi · Aug 7, 2023

Flash said:
The most disingenuous thing about EVERY SINGLE REVIEW is that there's zero mention of the sh!t show of problems discussed on this forum. Leno gets a pass, he's in it for the fun. But every single automotive journalist that hasn't mentioned the concerns on here is a fraud.

If they didn't do their research and look at what the Emira community is saying they are a fraud.
If they did do their research, saw this forum and didn't report on it, they're a fraud.

I'm like most of you on here. When there's a new review, I drop everything and watch. It usually sucks me in and makes me second guess what I'm debating, but then reality hits when I log back on here and read the thread of the day like today's: "NZ new delivery.......not a great start".

Actual owner experiences should be worth much more to us than a reviewer talking for 20 minutes about how well the car handles on a windy road. Like...duh.

I just want some honesty.

Your comments are harsh but totally reasonable. To me, in order to be honest as you mention, wouldn't you have to know statistics on all cars delivered? Furthermore, what issues are a nuisance and what issues are serious?

Anyway, I don't want to get out of my depth here because this is my first "ordering a new car" experience. Other people have a lot more experience with this than me. I believe you will be validated in years to come because after a couple of years when this launch business is behind us, people will be more candid in talking about what a crap show this was.

Porter · Aug 7, 2023

Pegasi said:
Your comments are harsh but totally reasonable. To me, in order to be honest as you mention, wouldn't you have to know statistics on all cars delivered? Furthermore, what issues are a nuisance and what issues are serious?

Anyway, I don't want to get out of my depth here because this is my first "ordering a new car" experience. Other people have a lot more experience with this than me. I believe you will be validated in years to come because after a couple of years when this launch business is behind us, people will be more candid in talking about what a crap show this was.

I think people are just sick and tired of the disingenuity of the review format. Many of these videos reviews have presenters that act like they are playing to a broadcast television camera, when in reality they are posting a video on the internet. The content should be as frank as any Reddit post, but it isn't, it's sanitized and excessively careful and polite.

The thing that I suspect many people would like to see, myself included, is for a respected reviewer to look directly into the camera and say out loud that Lotus is delivering cars to owners that should never have left the factory. Look in the camera and say that from reports from the ownership community, Lotus are utterly dropping the ball in dozens of different ways, from product quality to service response to communication, and that someone in leadership needs to get their act together and take management responsibility. Preferably in a way that places the customer as the most important stakeholder.

In the absence of some real, direct talk into a camera about what the challenges are with this company, all these reviews are different forms of fluff that aren't particularly relevant to the ownership experience.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not canceling my order, but at the same time I have basically no expectation that Lotus will be able to competently service or repair the car if and when I do have a problem, and so I'm fully planning to take on that responsibility myself. Think about how absurd it is that I would even need to think about that in the year 2023.

GetawayDriving · Aug 7, 2023

Porter said:
I think people are just sick and tired of the disingenuity of the review format. Many of these videos reviews have presenters that act like they are playing to a broadcast television camera, when in reality they are posting a video on the internet. The content should be as frank as any Reddit post, but it isn't, it's sanitized and excessively careful and polite.

The thing that I suspect many people would like to see, myself included, is for a respected reviewer to look directly into the camera and say out loud that Lotus is delivering cars to owners that should never have left the factory. Look in the camera and say that from reports from the ownership community, Lotus are utterly dropping the ball in dozens of different ways, from product quality to service response to communication, and that someone in leadership needs to get their act together and take management responsibility. Preferably in a way that places the customer as the most important stakeholder.

In the absence of some real, direct talk into a camera about what the challenges are with this company, all these reviews are different forms of fluff that aren't particularly relevant to the ownership experience.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not canceling my order, but at the same time I have basically no expectation that Lotus will be able to competently service or repair the car if and when I do have a problem, and so I'm fully planning to take on that responsibility myself. Think about how absurd it is that I would even need to think about that in the year 2023.

Respected reviewers are respected because they‘ve been doing this for a while. The only way to keep doing this for a while is to maintain relationships with automakers. The review you describe would burn those bridges, and could sink that reviewer’s ability to access future cars. I’m not saying Lotus does this, but I know that some manufacturers do and journalists will always assume it’s a possibility.

This is why you hear careful politeness. The journalists are “surviving to write another day”.

EZcheezy · Aug 8, 2023

Flash said:
The most disingenuous thing about EVERY SINGLE REVIEW is that there's zero mention of the sh!t show of problems discussed on this forum. Leno gets a pass, he's in it for the fun. But every single automotive journalist that hasn't mentioned the concerns on here is a fraud.

If they didn't do their research and look at what the Emira community is saying they are a fraud.
If they did do their research, saw this forum and didn't report on it, they're a fraud.

I'm like most of you on here. When there's a new review, I drop everything and watch. It usually sucks me in and makes me second guess what I'm debating, but then reality hits when I log back on here and read the thread of the day like today's: "NZ new delivery.......not a great start".

Actual owner experiences should be worth much more to us than a reviewer talking for 20 minutes about how well the car handles on a windy road. Like...duh.

I just want some honesty.

you gotta remember that there is far more negativity on forms than real life. people are way more likely to post something that went bad then post something that went well.

you see it in every form/subreddit/fan group in existence. if you have some statistics thats different, but if you glance at the new threads on an emira form and think "yeah this car is a mess" thats just illogical. statistically (probably) a vast majority of Emira owners are loving their car and ownership

all that being said... I will admit from my point of view it sure seems like this roll out is worse than average when it comes to QA too. ignoring the delays for a sec which are certainly worse than average. but this is also the first roll out of a car iv ever paid attention to. its also the first form for a car iv ever read, so idk, sample size too small. in the mean time ill keep telling myself about the negative bias to cope about my perchance decision

R1272 · Aug 8, 2023

GetawayDriving said:
Respected reviewers are respected because they‘ve been doing this for a while. The only way to keep doing this for a while is to maintain relationships with automakers. The review you describe would burn those bridges, and could sink that reviewer’s ability to access future cars. I’m not saying Lotus does this, but I know that some manufacturers do and journalists will always assume it’s a possibility.

This is why you hear careful politeness. The journalists are “surviving to write another day”.

I agree with you completely.

That doesn't bode well for an honest review from anyone, ever.

EspritGuy · Aug 8, 2023

Flash said:
I agree with you completely.

That doesn't bode well for an honest review from anyone, ever.

You might desire a Consumer Reports feature or JD Powers rating. But the best reviewers are users (Yelp, anyone?), and this Forum is as candid as it gets.
I think the sentiment involves 'acknowledging publicly what customers contend with' in order to hold the manufacturer accountable.
Even then it will be written off as first year teething issues. And summarily Let the buyer beware.
Here's your headline: The love/hate relationship with Lotus.
And tag line: it's not for everyone.
#Forthespecialfew

Reviewer	Type	Direct Link
Edmunds	Article	New Lotus Emira Is Worth the Wait \| Edmunds The 2022 Lotus Emira, powered by a supercharged 3.5-liter V6, is both the end and the beginning of an era as the automaker transitions to a world of fully electrified supercars and crossovers. www.edmunds.com
Harry's Garage (Harry Metcalfe)	Video Review	Harry drives the Sports and Tour suspension back to back on the same road and shares his thoughts.
Schmee150 (Tim Burton)	Video Review	Published 21st June Bought the Right Car?! LOTUS EMIRA V6 FIRST DRIVE The countdown is on! The folks at Lotus have delivered an Emira V6 First Edition to @TheShmuseum in a near-identical spec to my inbound car, to take for a fi... www.youtube.com
Carwow (Mat Watson)	Video Review	Lotus Emira review - and my BANNED test! Looking to sell your car? Then you've come to the right place. carwow is the free, easy way to change your car online. Check it out here: https://bit.ly/Buy-... www.youtube.com
TopGear	Articles and Video	Published 3rd July Chris Harris talks about the Lotus Emira Chris Harris On… The All-New Lotus Emira \| Top Gear Series 32 “I’d feel a bit scared if I were a McLaren or an Aston Martin at the moment” Chris Harris chats to Top Gear Magazine’s Jack Rix about the all-new Lotus Emira... youtu.be Published 20th June Lotus Emira Review 2023 \| Top Gear The last ever petrol-powered Lotus looks fantastic and drives with precision, but not quite as much emotion as we might’ve hoped www.topgear.com The big sportscar test: Lotus Emira vs Porsche Cayman vs Alpine A110 www.topgear.com
AutoTrader (Rory Reid)	Video Review	NEW Lotus Emira: The Last REAL Lotus? \| 4K Rory reviews the new Lotus Emira, Lotus' last ever petrol sports car. Soon the company will transition to electric cars, but for this last hurrah the Emira p... www.youtube.com
Evo	Article and Video Review	2023 Lotus Emira review – strong showing for Porsche Cayman GTS rival \| Evo The first new Lotus for a generation, and the last to be petrol powered, shows great promise but needs some polish www.evo.co.uk
CAR	Article and Video Review	Published 22nd July Lotus Emira vs Porsche Cayman GTS vs Alpine A110 group test review CAR magazine UK compares the Lotus Emira sports car with the Porsche 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 and Alpine A110 S www.carmagazine.co.uk Lotus Emira (2023) review: new 2.0-litre engine driven The brand new Lotus Emira, tested on road and track by CAR magazine. www.carmagazine.co.uk Lotus Emira vs Cayman 718 GTS vs Alpine 110s
Autocar	Article and Video Review	Lotus Emira V6 First Edition 2022 UK first drive \| Autocar Most important Lotus in decades heralds a new era and sees out an old one, being the firm's last petrol sports car www.autocar.co.uk
Pistonheads	Article	2022 Lotus Emira \| PH Review The Emira is one step closer to production-ready. And the good news (mostly) keeps coming www.pistonheads.com
KHTV	Video Review
The Drive	Article	2023 Lotus Emira First Drive Review: Lotus Grows Up, and Just in Time The Lotus Emira is the last of its kind, the final gas-powered car from the legendary company. And what a thrilling sendoff it is. www.thedrive.com
AutoExpress	Article	New Lotus Emira V6 First Edition review \| Auto Express We hit road and track in the new Lotus Emira - the model that redefines the brand as a sports car maker www.autoexpress.co.uk Pictures: New Lotus Emira 2022 review - pictures \| Auto Express Pictures of the new Lotus Emira www.autoexpress.co.uk
WhichCar	Article	2022 Lotus Emira review: V6 First Edition, international launch Lotus wants to compete with daily-driver premium sportscars like the Cayman and its new Emira V6 First Edition is a big step in the right direction www.whichcar.com.au
CarBuyer	Article	Lotus Emira coupe review \| Carbuyer “The Emira marks a big step on in terms of design and quality for Lotus, and it’s great to drive” www.carbuyer.co.uk
Hagerty	Article	Lotus Emira first drive review: Will the fab four become the famous five? \| Hagerty UK Is the Emira good enough to turn the fab four – Elite, Elan, Esprit, Elise – into the famous five? Read Andrew Frankel's review to find out. www.hagerty.co.uk
Road and Track	Article	Published 1st September Lotus Emira Road and Track Drive The Lotus Emira Is One of the Greats Lotus's final combustion-engined sports car starts a new era for the English automaker, and a prime example of what a well-funded Lotus can build. www.roadandtrack.com The 2023 Emira Is an All-Time High For Lotus The Emira comes from a bygone era. www.roadandtrack.com
Goodwood	Article	First Drive: Lotus Emira 2022 Review \| GRR The Emira is the final combustion-engined Lotus, and it might finally be a match for the Porsche Cayman... www.goodwood.com
The Intercooler	Podcast	Reasonably good post-embargo Emira discussion on The Intercooler. Apple Podcasts Web Embed embed.podcasts.apple.com
Motortrend	Article	2023 Lotus Emira First Drive Review: The Porsche Substitute Don’t want a Porsche Cayman? Try this. www.motortrend.com
Drive	Article	2022 Lotus Emira review: International first drive With a reborn and reinvigorated Lotus looking to a new and very different future, is the Emira the first excuse-free Lotus? www.drive.com.au
AFR	Article	Lotus takes on Porsche with its $185,000 Emira This is a street car for buyers who appreciate luxury and great looks – although with a claimed top speed of 290km/h, it’s no slouch on the racetrack. www.afr.com
Parkers	Article	Lotus Emira Review (2024) Lotus Emira (2024) in-depth review. Read our experts' views on the engine, practicality, running costs, overall performance and more. www.parkers.co.uk
CarExpert	Article	2023 Lotus Emira review: First drive We drive the last Lotus without electrification around Mount Panorama to see if it's a worthy contender to the Porsche 718 Cayman. www.carexpert.com.au
Caffeine & Machine	Article	Caffeine & Machine Hitting the Alps in the summer, chasing the #cultofmachine in the brand spanking new Lotus Emira. Soul food at its best, delivered in spades across the myriad of special alpine roads littering the... www.facebook.com Photos on Instagram: Caffeine&Machine on Instagram: "Hitting the Alps in the summer, chasing the #cultofmachine in the brand spanking new Lotus Emira. Soul food at its best, delivered in spades across the myriad of special alpine roads littering the region. It would be 1,055 likes, 8 comments - caffeineandmachine on June 13, 2022: "Hitting the Alps in the summer, chasing the #cultofmachine in the brand spanking new Lotus Emira. Soul food at its best, delivered in spades across the myriad of special alpine roads littering the region. It would be so easy to... www.instagram.com
The Sunday Times Driving	Article	Lotus Emira V6 2022 on-track review: Lotus's last petrol car is more than significant ... it's good This isn't going to be one of our usual reviews, because our test drive of the new Lotus Emira wasn't usual, either, having experienced just three and a half laps behind the wheel around Goodwood Motor Circuit,. www.driving.co.uk
Car and Driver	Article	2023 Emira Is a Grown-Up Lotus The last gas-powered Lotus also may be the first you don't have to make excuses for. www.caranddriver.com
The Sun	Article	I've driven the Lotus Emira - you can use it every day and it's saving BRITAIN THERE’S only one type of person who wouldn’t fall in love with the Lotus Emira. Those Twitter-dwelling keyboard warriors who think they know more about cars than everyone else. I’ve seen a few comm… www.thesun.co.uk
AutoCar UK	Article	Published 2nd July Lotus Emira vs Porsche 718 Cayman \| Autocar Lotus’s new sports car is a great car in its own right - but can it hold its own against the class leader? www.autocar.co.uk

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