UK deposit to order checkout to delivery process

[Leonard]

Delivery due this Friday!!!

So things have turned around very quickly. I had the checkout email on Nov 5th… nothing much happened for over 6 weeks except to find out some trim was missing. That eventually was sorted then I was called yesterday to be told I can have THIS FRIDAY as a delivery date - IE 3 days away - but only if I had the invoice paid first thing this morning… no pressure!!! And if I couldn’t pay that quick then delivery would be in the New Year!!!

I used my HSBC work account as my Nationwide personal account doesn’t have a high enough payment limit and the branch wasn’t open when I could have gotten there.

But getting the actual payment approved behind the scenes was rather painful as HSBC fraud got involved and insisted the payment was fraudulent! I’d already double-checked all the bank details with Lotus on the phone then paid the full amount online. I had to spend 45 mins trying to convince HSBC that it was all ok. Once they found out that I needed to get the money paid ASAP they thought I was being pressurised to paying it! They were also less than impressed when I said that I hadn’t physically seen the car! I tried explaining that they a main car dealership and the car is brand new but they were still sceptical. When he asked if the purchase was for business or personal I lied and said business as I felt that was the only way to get him to approve it! I insisted I want being pressurised but I had to get the transfer approved before lunchtime and then get to my sons birthday party or the car wouldn’t have been arriving sometime in Jan…

After much wrangling and accepting full responsibility so if it goes wrong I’ve lost all my money the payment was made!

Received an update shortly (2 hours) afterwards from Lotus confirming all was good with the payment and I can have the car delivered on the 23rd….

Stressful but it all went though ok and I’m super pleased as it will be a fantastic Xmas present - invoice number 85 which I guess means the 85th car.

What made this bit stressful is that the invoice from Lotus says the bank they are using (Stripe) doesn’t accept CHAPS payments - hence why I was using HSBC and a bacs payment in the first place.

Further making life hard, when you try to pay the account name online that they give you “Lotus Cars Limited” you are told that it doesn’t match and is incorrect… it’s because they use a funky system at Stripe that means everyone has a different account number - so the validation doesn’t work.

For reference when anyone else gets to this stage the correct sort code I was given is 23-68-02 - rest assured that’s the correct one - at least it was for me.

A bit of a ramble but half celebration and half trying to prepare future UK invoice payers for some of the stresses to come!!!

That is an amazing Xmas present
I dont think I've been able to purchase any of my new cars in the last 10 years easily.
I always allow at least an extra hour now for the fraud squad to kick in and reject my payment. And that's with calling them multiple times in advance to authorise it..
Does seem strange that they cannot let you pay directly into their account though and circumnavigate Stripe completely

 

[Scruff111S]

Delivery due this Friday!!!

So things have turned around very quickly. I had the checkout email on Nov 5th… nothing much happened for over 6 weeks except to find out some trim was missing. That eventually was sorted then out of the blue I was called yesterday to be told I can have THIS FRIDAY as a delivery date - IE 3 days away - but only if I paid the invoice first thing this morning… no pressure!!! And if I couldn’t pay that quick then the delivery would be made in the New Year!!!

I used my HSBC work account as my Nationwide personal account doesn’t have a high enough payment limit and the local branch wasn’t open when I could get there.

But getting the actual payment approved behind the scenes was rather painful as HSBC fraud got involved and insisted the payment was fraudulent! I’d already double-checked all the bank details with Lotus on the phone then paid the full amount online. I had to spend 45 mins trying to convince HSBC that it was all ok. Once they found out that I needed to get the money paid ASAP they thought I was being pressurised to paying it! They were also less than impressed when I said that I hadn’t physically seen the car! I tried explaining that they are a main car dealership and that the car is brand new, but they were still sceptical. When he asked if the purchase was for business or personal I lied and said business - as I felt that was the only way to get him to approve it! I insisted I want being pressurised but I had to get the transfer approved before lunchtime and then get to my sons birthday party or the car wouldn’t have been arriving sometime in Jan…

After much wrangling and accepting full responsibility so if it goes wrong I’ve lost all my money the payment was made!

Received an update shortly (2 hours) afterwards from Lotus confirming all was good with the payment and I can have the car delivered on the 23rd….

Stressful but it all went though ok and I’m super pleased as it will be a fantastic Xmas present - invoice number 85 which I guess means the 85th car.

What made this bit stressful is that the invoice from Lotus says the bank they are using (Stripe) doesn’t accept CHAPS payments - hence why I was using HSBC and a bacs payment in the first place.

Further making life hard, when you try to pay the account name online that they give you “Lotus Cars Limited” you are told that it doesn’t match and is incorrect… it’s because they use a funky system at Stripe that means everyone has a different account number - so the validation doesn’t work.

For reference when anyone else gets to this stage the correct sort code I was given is 23-68-02 - rest assured that’s the correct one - at least it was for me.

A bit of a ramble but half celebration and half trying to prepare future UK invoice payers for some of the stresses to come!!!

Congratulations on getting your new Emira on Friday. I had a similar problem paying. The company name didn't match the account number. In the end, to convince the bank that it was genuine, i had the invoice email, confirmation of account number from LCC email and speaking to 3 LCC staff. Similar to you, it had to be paid by Monday at 12 last week for delivery last Saturday. Stressful doesn't even come close to explaining it. LCC said many customers had experienced the same situation. Surely, if they know this, then something should be done to fix it.

 

[emiraspain]

Delivery due this Friday!!!

So things have turned around very quickly. I had the checkout email on Nov 5th… nothing much happened for over 6 weeks except to find out some trim was missing. That eventually was sorted then out of the blue I was called yesterday to be told I can have THIS FRIDAY as a delivery date - IE 3 days away - but only if I paid the invoice first thing this morning… no pressure!!! And if I couldn’t pay that quick then the delivery would be made in the New Year!!!

I used my HSBC work account as my Nationwide personal account doesn’t have a high enough payment limit and the local branch wasn’t open when I could get there.

But getting the actual payment approved behind the scenes was rather painful as HSBC fraud got involved and insisted the payment was fraudulent! I’d already double-checked all the bank details with Lotus on the phone then paid the full amount online. I had to spend 45 mins trying to convince HSBC that it was all ok. Once they found out that I needed to get the money paid ASAP they thought I was being pressurised to paying it! They were also less than impressed when I said that I hadn’t physically seen the car! I tried explaining that they are a main car dealership and that the car is brand new, but they were still sceptical. When he asked if the purchase was for business or personal I lied and said business - as I felt that was the only way to get him to approve it! I insisted I want being pressurised but I had to get the transfer approved before lunchtime and then get to my sons birthday party or the car wouldn’t have been arriving sometime in Jan…

After much wrangling and accepting full responsibility so if it goes wrong I’ve lost all my money the payment was made!

Received an update shortly (2 hours) afterwards from Lotus confirming all was good with the payment and I can have the car delivered on the 23rd….

Stressful but it all went though ok and I’m super pleased as it will be a fantastic Xmas present - invoice number 85 which I guess means the 85th car.

What made this bit stressful is that the invoice from Lotus says the bank they are using (Stripe) doesn’t accept CHAPS payments - hence why I was using HSBC and a bacs payment in the first place.

Further making life hard, when you try to pay the account name online that they give you “Lotus Cars Limited” you are told that it doesn’t match and is incorrect… it’s because they use a funky system at Stripe that means everyone has a different account number - so the validation doesn’t work.

For reference when anyone else gets to this stage the correct sort code I was given is 23-68-02 - rest assured that’s the correct one - at least it was for me.

A bit of a ramble but half celebration and half trying to prepare future UK invoice payers for some of the stresses to come!!!

I can concur with the sort code:

23-68-02 was the same for me also, and paying with the banks app in smaller amounts there is no problem..generally, but I see you were not given the chance to do this of course. I am invoice number 73, so makes sense, but I deferred my delivery until after xmas as I am not 12 years old any more.. haha.. just kidding. Would have been nice, but didn't make sense for me. so is it a blue car coming out of the blue..or a red car cutting through all the red tape .... lets see the other jokes before the hands over face button selected! A fellow yellow car of Tome's..... Ready to make your neighbours dark verdant black, I mean, green with envy... Nimbus, who gives a crap.... its a champagne moment...and colour! well done me!

 

[Scruff111S]

I can concur with the sort code:

23-68-02 was the same for me also, and paying with the banks app in smaller amounts there is no problem..generally, but I see you were not given the chance to do this of course. I am invoice number 73, so makes sense, but I deferred my delivery until after xmas as I am not 12 years old any more.. haha.. just kidding. Would have been nice, but didn't make sense for me. so is it a blue car coming out of the blue..or a red car cutting through all the red tape .... lets see the other jokes before the hands over face button selected! A fellow yellow car of Tome's..... Ready to make your neighbours dark verdant black, I mean, green with envy... Nimbus, who gives a crap.... its a champagne moment...and colour! well done me!

Interesting to see you are invoice number 73. I am invoice number 56.

 

[Jimblob]

Blue, touring, black pack, black wheels, alcantara with yellow stitching. Yellow callipers. Not especially imaginative but I fell in love with the launch car!

I’m going to change the wheels to satin black - Porsche GT3 colour. And do a 3rd cat delete. And look at changing the seat belts and 12 o’clock mark on the steering wheel and starter switch cover thing to yellow…

 

[Jimblob]

That is an amazing Xmas present
I dont think I've been able to purchase any of my new cars in the last 10 years easily.
I always allow at least an extra hour now for the fraud squad to kick in and reject my payment. And that's with calling them multiple times in advance to authorise it..
Does seem strange that they cannot let you pay directly into their account though and circumnavigate Stripe completely

You can pay into their account but only through bacs not chaps.

 

[TomE]

On the test drive thread I mentioned I was waiting for more info from Lotus before making a decision about my car.

For context, I got my checkout email a few weeks ago and asked for extra time to make a decision so that I could do my test drive on 16 Dec. I'd not been able to book an earlier test drive due to the mass-mailing to all deposit holders and lack of priority for early build folks. Lotus agreed I could extend the checkout window.

I also asked about various scenarios that might arise after my test drive, including postponing my order (but staying V6 FE), making a spec change (for example if I wanted to change interior from leather to alcantara), or switching to V6 Base Edition or i4.

After my test drive I asked again about these scenarios and was told I could postpone and stay V6 FE, but they couldn't say what build date I'd then get in 2023. Similarly, a switch to V6 BE or i4 would put me into the relevant sub-queue and again build date would depend on scheduling to be done early next year, with V6 Base builds likely to start late 2023/early 2024. I was also told that a change of spec would result in my current build being re-allocated and getting re-scheduled into 2023. I was told if I went into a new sub-queue they were still trying to do things in deposit date order (right, I've heard that before!).

Availability of Base options pricing is also a factor in my decision, and timing for that is still "New Year" or late Q1 or maybe Q2.

I'd requested clarification on some of these points and today have been told:

• My car is built and at BCA awaiting delivery
• Any change will result in my order being cancelled, the car being reallocated and a new order created for the new spec. That order will be at the BACK of the V6 FE queue, which currently means H2-2024 delivery
• I can't postpone my order (for example to wait for Base info before deciding FE vs BE), and this counts as a cancellation and re-order, so again I would go to the back of the queue
• If I switch to V6 Base Edition (or i4) it also counts as a cancellation. The V6 BE order book is not open yet, so I can't place an order for one. Some previous depositors were able to select V6 BE as a preference and so are already in a sub-queue. When the Base Edition pricing and configurator are released, I would be able to place an order then, at the back of the V6 BE queue. Build is due to start late 2023 so that means a likely H1-2024 delivery

So it boils down to taking the car now at the spec I had to lock in 13 months ago or be treated as a cancellation (which also forfeits the previous undertaking on maintaining price) and wait until 2024.

At the moment I'm mulling over what to do but am disappointed at this entirely production-led approach.

I thought this info might be useful to other people in the meantime, as it appears once you get the Checkout email you basically have a choice of take the car or cancel.

 

[PhilCP]

On the test drive thread I mentioned I was waiting for more info from Lotus before making a decision about my car.

For context, I got my checkout email a few weeks ago and asked for extra time to make a decision so that I could do my test drive on 16 Dec. I'd not been able to book an earlier test drive due to the mass-mailing to all deposit holders and lack of priority for early build folks. Lotus agreed I could extend the checkout window.

I also asked about various scenarios that might arise after my test drive, including postponing my order (but staying V6 FE), making a spec change (for example if I wanted to change interior from leather to alcantara), or switching to V6 Base Edition or i4.

After my test drive I asked again about these scenarios and was told I could postpone and stay V6 FE, but they couldn't say what build date I'd then get in 2023. Similarly, a switch to V6 BE or i4 would put me into the relevant sub-queue and again build date would depend on scheduling to be done early next year, with V6 Base builds likely to start late 2023/early 2024. I was also told that a change of spec would result in my current build being re-allocated and getting re-scheduled into 2023. I was told if I went into a new sub-queue they were still trying to do things in deposit date order (right, I've heard that before!).

Availability of Base options pricing is also a factor in my decision, and timing for that is still "New Year" or late Q1 or maybe Q2.

I'd requested clarification on some of these points and today have been told:

• My car is built and at BCA awaiting delivery
• Any change will result in my order being cancelled, the car being reallocated and a new order created for the new spec. That order will be at the BACK of the V6 FE queue, which currently means H2-2024 delivery
• I can't postpone my order (for example to wait for Base info before deciding FE vs BE), and this counts as a cancellation and re-order, so again I would go to the back of the queue
• If I switch to V6 Base Edition (or i4) it also counts as a cancellation. The V6 BE order book is not open yet, so I can't place an order for one. Some previous depositors were able to select V6 BE as a preference and so are already in a sub-queue. When the Base Edition pricing and configurator are released, I would be able to place an order then, at the back of the V6 BE queue. Build is due to start late 2023 so that means a likely H1-2024 delivery

So it boils down to taking the car now at the spec I had to lock in 13 months ago or be treated as a cancellation (which also forfeits the previous undertaking on maintaining price) and wait until 2024.

At the moment I'm mulling over what to do but am disappointed at this entirely production-led approach.

I thought this info might be useful to other people in the meantime, as it appears once you get the Checkout email you basically have a choice of take the car or cancel.

If you cancel and wait for Base, given how long off deliveries may be, you may find the BE price isn't much cheaper than an FE now.

 

[Cachaco131]

On the test drive thread I mentioned I was waiting for more info from Lotus before making a decision about my car.

For context, I got my checkout email a few weeks ago and asked for extra time to make a decision so that I could do my test drive on 16 Dec. I'd not been able to book an earlier test drive due to the mass-mailing to all deposit holders and lack of priority for early build folks. Lotus agreed I could extend the checkout window.

I also asked about various scenarios that might arise after my test drive, including postponing my order (but staying V6 FE), making a spec change (for example if I wanted to change interior from leather to alcantara), or switching to V6 Base Edition or i4.

After my test drive I asked again about these scenarios and was told I could postpone and stay V6 FE, but they couldn't say what build date I'd then get in 2023. Similarly, a switch to V6 BE or i4 would put me into the relevant sub-queue and again build date would depend on scheduling to be done early next year, with V6 Base builds likely to start late 2023/early 2024. I was also told that a change of spec would result in my current build being re-allocated and getting re-scheduled into 2023. I was told if I went into a new sub-queue they were still trying to do things in deposit date order (right, I've heard that before!).

Availability of Base options pricing is also a factor in my decision, and timing for that is still "New Year" or late Q1 or maybe Q2.

I'd requested clarification on some of these points and today have been told:

• My car is built and at BCA awaiting delivery
• Any change will result in my order being cancelled, the car being reallocated and a new order created for the new spec. That order will be at the BACK of the V6 FE queue, which currently means H2-2024 delivery
• I can't postpone my order (for example to wait for Base info before deciding FE vs BE), and this counts as a cancellation and re-order, so again I would go to the back of the queue
• If I switch to V6 Base Edition (or i4) it also counts as a cancellation. The V6 BE order book is not open yet, so I can't place an order for one. Some previous depositors were able to select V6 BE as a preference and so are already in a sub-queue. When the Base Edition pricing and configurator are released, I would be able to place an order then, at the back of the V6 BE queue. Build is due to start late 2023 so that means a likely H1-2024 delivery

So it boils down to taking the car now at the spec I had to lock in 13 months ago or be treated as a cancellation (which also forfeits the previous undertaking on maintaining price) and wait until 2024.

At the moment I'm mulling over what to do but am disappointed at this entirely production-led approach.

I thought this info might be useful to other people in the meantime, as it appears once you get the Checkout email you basically have a choice of take the car or cancel.

Take delivery but ensure you get all the leadership and workers to sign the trunk lid. You should sign it too. The appreciation will allow you to sell it for 20% over MSRP and you can upgrade later to a more hard core version!

 

[Lotustoronto]

On the test drive thread I mentioned I was waiting for more info from Lotus before making a decision about my car.

For context, I got my checkout email a few weeks ago and asked for extra time to make a decision so that I could do my test drive on 16 Dec. I'd not been able to book an earlier test drive due to the mass-mailing to all deposit holders and lack of priority for early build folks. Lotus agreed I could extend the checkout window.

I also asked about various scenarios that might arise after my test drive, including postponing my order (but staying V6 FE), making a spec change (for example if I wanted to change interior from leather to alcantara), or switching to V6 Base Edition or i4.

After my test drive I asked again about these scenarios and was told I could postpone and stay V6 FE, but they couldn't say what build date I'd then get in 2023. Similarly, a switch to V6 BE or i4 would put me into the relevant sub-queue and again build date would depend on scheduling to be done early next year, with V6 Base builds likely to start late 2023/early 2024. I was also told that a change of spec would result in my current build being re-allocated and getting re-scheduled into 2023. I was told if I went into a new sub-queue they were still trying to do things in deposit date order (right, I've heard that before!).

Availability of Base options pricing is also a factor in my decision, and timing for that is still "New Year" or late Q1 or maybe Q2.

I'd requested clarification on some of these points and today have been told:

• My car is built and at BCA awaiting delivery
• Any change will result in my order being cancelled, the car being reallocated and a new order created for the new spec. That order will be at the BACK of the V6 FE queue, which currently means H2-2024 delivery
• I can't postpone my order (for example to wait for Base info before deciding FE vs BE), and this counts as a cancellation and re-order, so again I would go to the back of the queue
• If I switch to V6 Base Edition (or i4) it also counts as a cancellation. The V6 BE order book is not open yet, so I can't place an order for one. Some previous depositors were able to select V6 BE as a preference and so are already in a sub-queue. When the Base Edition pricing and configurator are released, I would be able to place an order then, at the back of the V6 BE queue. Build is due to start late 2023 so that means a likely H1-2024 delivery

So it boils down to taking the car now at the spec I had to lock in 13 months ago or be treated as a cancellation (which also forfeits the previous undertaking on maintaining price) and wait until 2024.

At the moment I'm mulling over what to do but am disappointed at this entirely production-led approach.

I thought this info might be useful to other people in the meantime, as it appears once you get the Checkout email you basically have a choice of take the car or cancel.

you missed one option Tom - drive your other Lotus' and be first on the list for the V6 GT/Final edition. It's probably the car you want anyways.

Edit - in all honesty, tough choice.

 

[TomE]

If you cancel and wait for Base, given how long off deliveries may be, you may find the BE price isn't much cheaper than an FE now.

I think this is very likely. By forcing people to cancel and re-order, they don't have to honour the price promise made in June. Price rises next year seem inevitable. And pushing people to back of the queue means they'll pay 2024 prices not 2023.

If I was doing a Base spec, I think my options are likely to be at the cheaper end of the scale. Hethel Yellow is a solid colour and was a no-cost option on previous cars (metallics were extra). Black calipers are the base option. Base seats and base interior probably save £2-4k, base audio probably saves £2k versus KEF. Touring may be cheaper than Sports, but Drivers Pack will be a cost. It's hard to decide when Lotus won't publish the Base pricing for another 3-6 months.

 

[TomE]

Take delivery but ensure you get all the leadership and workers to sign the trunk lid. You should sign it too. The appreciation will allow you to sell it for 20% over MSRP and you can upgrade later to a more hard core version!

I think my signature will devalue it significantly! What's the opposite of VIP - VUP? That's probably written in sharpie on the chassis somewhere

 

[TomE]

you missed one option Tom - drive your other Lotus' and be first on the list for the V6 GT/Final edition. It's probably the car you want anyways.

Edit - in all honesty, tough choice.

Not an option because they won't take an official deposit for one yet. I could place a dealer deposit before the HQ order book opens, but that route hasn't worked out very well for me so far

 

[Cachaco131]

I think my signature will devalue it significantly! What's the opposite of VIP - VUP? That's probably written in sharpie on the chassis somewhere

Lol I'm sure they appreciate all your contribution!

 

[TomE]

I know they don’t.

I discovered recently that owners of previous Lotus cars are referred to as “legacy owners” inside Hethel, and this is not meant in a positive way. We’re apparently not the target market for New Lotus, despite most of us buying sports cars and EVs.

I also suggested to a couple of my Lotus contacts that I was probably regarded as a pain in the a*** by senior people at Lotus. The pause before the replies told me more than the actual answer.

Lotus regard forums and social media as representing a tiny minority of their real customers. They may be right.

And of course despite all the problems and cancellations they can keep pointing to a 1.5-2 year order book.

I’m under no illusion that Lotus care what I say or do. Or what any other customer says or does.

 

[Lotustoronto]

I know they don’t.

I discovered recently that owners of previous Lotus cars are referred to as “legacy owners” inside Hethel, and this is not meant in a positive way. We’re apparently not the target market for New Lotus, despite most of us buying sports cars and EVs.

I also suggested to a couple of my Lotus contacts that I was probably regarded as a pain in the a*** by senior people at Lotus. The pause before the replies told me more than the actual answer.

Lotus regard forums and social media as representing a tiny minority of their real customers. They may be right.

And of course despite all the problems and cancellations they can keep pointing to a 1.5-2 year order book.

I’m under no illusion that Lotus care what I say or do. Or what any other customer says or does.

That is just terrible... I also don't really understand. Gavan owns a couple old Lotus cars. Matt Windle owns one of the last Elises, Russel Carr designed them. Why would they want to alienate the customers they themselves are? Very strange, I hope this time you're wrong about your opinion Tom.(usually you are spot on tho!) I get the new electric vision will need to bring in a new customer batch, which the Emira has, but let's be honest, almost everyone on this forum has owned other sports car brands. Porsche's, Aston, Ferrari, BMW etc. - If these people aren't your target customer, who is?

 

[TomE]

There are a lot of new middle and senior management hires at Lotus from across the industry. Many come for major manufacturers and take a corporate and volume manufacturing view of the world. That’s fine and brings some different perspectives on things like production and quality.

But there’s no connection with the heritage or the previous types of customers. I’m sure Geely are also highlighting the importance of transforming Lotus and widening the customer demographic, which is why a lot of these people have been hired.

This binary view of “legacy” customers bad and “new” demographic good is very short-sighted. I and several other “legacy” customers have cancelled Eletre orders already. But again, Lotus don’t care because we’re apparently not part of the future.

 

[Dommo]

There are a lot of new middle and senior management hires at Lotus from across the industry. Many come for major manufacturers and take a corporate and volume manufacturing view of the world. That’s fine and brings some different perspectives on things like production and quality.

But there’s no connection with the heritage or the previous types of customers. I’m sure Geely are also highlighting the importance of transforming Lotus and widening the customer demographic, which is why a lot of these people have been hired.

This binary view of “legacy” customers bad and “new” demographic good is very short-sighted. I and several other “legacy” customers have cancelled Eletre orders already. But again, Lotus don’t care because we’re apparently not part of the future.

Calling the unimportant OG Lotus owners 'legacy' owners is a bit of an oxymoron!

 

[KJD]

While all of this is very irritating to “legacy” people like me, the problem is New Lotus, corporate bollocks and all, have made a car that I really want. Bastards!

There is really nothing else out there that interests me (although I must stop looking at 15yo V12 Ferraris!).

I’ve just parked the fact that it’s all a bit shit, and am hoping my car arrives next month (as per the latest promise) and is niggle-free.

 

[Forlorn]

There are a lot of new middle and senior management hires at Lotus from across the industry. Many come for major manufacturers and take a corporate and volume manufacturing view of the world. That’s fine and brings some different perspectives on things like production and quality.

But there’s no connection with the heritage or the previous types of customers. I’m sure Geely are also highlighting the importance of transforming Lotus and widening the customer demographic, which is why a lot of these people have been hired.

This binary view of “legacy” customers bad and “new” demographic good is very short-sighted. I and several other “legacy” customers have cancelled Eletre orders already. But again, Lotus don’t care because we’re apparently not part of the future.

I find their attitude ingratiating and frankly unprofessional. I do hope they are reading this forum as they are about to alienate so many Lotus fans and potentially new conquests review what they are buying into.

I had the feeling there was additional management structure in place, these corporate grey suited, pin label clones are the way this company will fail. No substance and indeed it smacks of Danny Bahar style of ownership all shop window and no substance. Let’s raid the finance pot and then piss off. The so called release of stupid videos of their corporate charter is just that. Get real Lotus - stop this charade.?