Actual 0-60 Times?

[Hell4Leather]

Welp.

I'd like you to help me understand why this 420 hp suv is only a 6 second 0-60 then.

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My wife’s Land Rover can do about 6 1/2 - 7 which is pretty good considering it weighs close to 6000 pounds.

 

[jmn444]

My wife’s Land Rover can do about 6 1/2 - 7 which is pretty good considering it weighs close to 6000 pounds.

apparently that's not an SUV to the person I was responding to lol...

 

[Hell4Leather]

Real world 0-60 for the Emira will be in the 4.6-4.8s range. It will fall in between the 2011 Evora S and the 2020 Evora GT. It will be closest to the 2017 Evora 400. There's not much spread in-between all 4 models, weight and performance included when equipped with the manual transmission. The Emira I4 will have a slightly quicker 0-60 than the Emira V6, yet slower 5-60.

Emira V6 (est)
0-60: 4.2s
5-60: 4.6s
0-100: 10.2s
1/4 mile: 12.7s @ 110 mph
3196 lbs - 3276 lbs (3196 by Komotec, 3276 for FE w/ full tank)
400 hp @ 6800 rpm
310 lb-ft @ 3500 rpm
Skidpad: 0.99g (Touring) - 1.03g (sport)

2011 Evora S (Car and Driver)
0-60: 4.3s
5-60: 4.7s
0-100: 10.4s
1/4 mile: 12.8s @ 110 mph
3171 lbs
345 hp @ 7000 rpm
295 lb-ft @ 4500 rpm
Skidpad: 0.98g

2017 Evora 400 (Motor Trend)
0-60: 4.2s
5-60: not performed
0-100: 10.0s
1/4 mile: 12.6s @ 111.0 mph
3200 lbs
400 hp @ 7000 rpm
302 lb-ft @ 3500 rpm
Skidpad: 0.97g (low grip surface)

2020 Evora GT (Car and Driver)
*0-60: 4.0s
5-60: 4.5s
0-100: 9.5s
1/4 mile: 12.4s @ 111 mph
3112 lbs
416 hp @ 7000 rpm
317 lb-ft @ 3500 rpm
Skidpad: 1.04g
*Includes Rollout, 1 ft: 0.3 sec

Do I have to be the one to point out that the “2017” Evora would have to be either a 2016 model 400 or a much harder to find actual 2017 Evora 410?

 

[Lotus64]

We can quote 0-60 all day, but realistically, drivers will likely never be able to achieve 0-60 quoted in their vehicle, especially in a vehicle equipped with a manual trans or RWD. It's easier in an automatic trans or an EV but still unlikely. 0-60 is a calculation, not a measurement. It includes rollout of 0.3 sec.

If you can match the quoted 5-60 time, you've done well.

 

[Lotus64]

Do I have to be the one to point out that the “2017” Evora would have to be either a 2016 model 400 or a much harder to find actual 2017 Evora 410?

Here is my source. I keep reciepts...

2017 Lotus Evora 400 First Test: Upshift

2017 Lotus Evora 400 First Test Review

The 2017 Evora 400 looks like a minor freshening, but two-thirds of its parts are spanking new. More in our First Test review here.

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[xen]

We can quote 0-60 all day, but realistically, drivers will likely never be able to achieve 0-60 quoted in their vehicle, especially in a vehicle equipped with a manual trans or RWD. It's easier in an automatic trans or an EV but still unlikely. 0-60 is a calculation, not a measurement. It includes rollout of 0.3 sec.

If you can match the quoted 5-60 time, you've done well.

That's demonstrably false. Porsche for example consistently understate their 0-60 times, they are regularly beat on regular roads in regular conditions by regular drivers.

 

[Toomanyloti]

I feel 0-60 times are a bit 'top trumps' or 'pub talk' and its a shame a car might be judged by such. I recognise that to some its important, each to his own.
The slowest car I have is the Elan Sprint and is by far the most fun to drive and very comfortable on long runs.
Next is the Exige as its as threadable but just manic. Esprit comes into its out fast flowing roads i imagine like those canyon roads I'm hearing about. The Taycan is just bonkers but not threadable on the same roads as its way too wide and very heavy. Despite size and weight its still a tour de force of engineering in my opinion.
I borrowed a mates 911 (997) Carrera S for a week a long time ago. It felt like I was driving the most massive car in the world. It felt huge and heavy based on my feather weight four potters. I wasn't experienced enough to enjoy it I thought at the time. I since believe that one would have had to drive it at speeds which were way to dangerous for public highways...
It was of course an amazing vehicle which I felt very privileged to borrow.

 

[xen]

I think it’s worth reading the OP’s post again. This isn’t a debate about what’s important or not…simply put:

Lotus published a 0-60 time (no one forced them, they the makers of this supreme amazing handling-focused car chose to)

With cars in customer hands, are they hitting Lotus’s estimate.

That’s it!

 

[Hell4Leather]

Here is my source. I keep reciepts...

2017 Lotus Evora 400 First Test: Upshift

2017 Lotus Evora 400 First Test Review

The 2017 Evora 400 looks like a minor freshening, but two-thirds of its parts are spanking new. More in our First Test review here.

www.google.com

It was a 2016 Lotus Evora 400 that was designated model year 2017. If you were to compare a 2016 Evora 400 to a “2017” Evora 400 it would’ve been the same car. That’s my point. The 2017 Evora was a 410. People sometimes use the fact that Lotus only made the 410 in 2017 to use the specs on their “2017 Evora”. Clearly not the same car. Car and driver tested a model year 2017 Evora 400. It was a 2016 car bumper to bumper. Top Gear did a comparison of the 2016 400 vs the 2017 410. They actually weren’t impressed. Doesn’t matter to me because I don’t believe the 410 was available in North America. Any 2017 Evora is a model year release of the 2016 400. My source: Lotus. I went ahead and attached the 2017 Evora catalog. Notice the 410 on the rear.

 

[Lotus64]

That's demonstrably false. Porsche for example consistently understate their 0-60 times, they are regularly beat on regular roads in regular conditions by regular drivers.

You misunderstood. I'm Referring to the instrumented test numbers people obsess over by publications, not the manufacturer estimates, which may or may not include 1-ft roll out of 0.3 seconds, be underated to satisfy customers, and definitely not include the 4000- 6,000 RPM launch it might see in an instrumented test.

 

[centerpunch]

I doubt if anyone cares, but here's a post I wrote 17 years ago that explained why car magazines started using rollout in all their times.

Basically, Car and Driver noticed an issue where occasionally a car would do the quarter mile at a speed that was also exactly a time-to-speed measurement. In that case, although there was not an error, it looked like there was an error.

For example, if a car did the 1/4 mile in 13.8 at 100.0 mph, that car also had a (correct) 0-to-100 time of about 14.1, because the drag strip numbers always exclude the rollout time (about .3 seconds for a "normal" car).

So to eliminate this appearance of inaccuracy or an error, Car and Driver started excluding the rollout time from all their measurements.

(This has the added benefit of making it look like they somehow can drive better than other magazines lol.)

Anyway, that's the logic that led to not including the rollout time in ALL measurements. I think everyone does it that way now.
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0-60 Numbers, is it all a lie?

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[Evotion]

There is no escaping human nature without huge training and shifts in psyche.
The 0-60 time will always be a metric referred to.

The Emira is crap at 0-60. Period.

it is still a 'fast' car and the gap to others will get less as the speed increases.

What car magazines have never done and what really is the holy grail of car fun is how fast it goes around the corner.
On this metric the Emira is, quite frankly, UNBELIEVABLE.
It is here that the car is indeed dialed up to 11. I have not felt traction like it.
I go into this on my next video.

I would find it hard to believe that any production car is better round the bends.
When I opened the car up fully, it was then that I had the epiphany and realised what the car was really all about and how Lotus have smashed this. Once proper drivers (not that I am one) 'get' this car the Emira will become a legend - I truly believe this and the demand will increase even further.

[edit - Yes, I am a completely gushing over-enthusiastic severe ADHD suffering fanboy but the car is mesmerising]

 

[Porter]

I will never modify drivetrain again . Having to undo mods for emissions testing is a pain and $$$. CA will soon force us all to buy electric appliances...

You can blame the street racing gangs and the coal rolling diesel bros for the level of enforcement CA is currently escalating to. It's not about hobbyists like us... it's about ego-driven aggro idiots like them. We just get lumped in because it's automotive.

 

[krist]

I think it’s worth reading the OP’s post again. This isn’t a debate about what’s important or not…simply put:

Lotus published a 0-60 time (no one forced them, they the makers of this supreme amazing handling-focused car chose to)

With cars in customer hands, are they hitting Lotus’s estimate.

That’s it!

German magazine tested the Emira on Sachsenring the results were according to them, not particularily inspiring. As to 0-100 (62mph) the say the absolute lowest they got was 4,6s (not 4,3 as Lotus claims) Also the laptime was mediocre, 2 seconds off Cayman GTS, worse than Evora 410 and Supra(!) Thay had a Sport suspension with Cup2 tires, of which they suprisingly said is not suited to that track, too soft and too hard at the same time, they said fast turns were its weak point.

 

[Hell4Leather]

There is no escaping human nature without huge training and shifts in psyche.
The 0-60 time will always be a metric referred to.

The Emira is crap at 0-60. Period.

it is still a 'fast' car and the gap to others will get less as the speed increases.

What car magazines have never done and what really is the holy grail of car fun is how fast it goes around the corner.
On this metric the Emira is, quite frankly, UNBELIEVABLE.
It is here that the car is indeed dialed up to 11. I have not felt traction like it.
I go into this on my next video.

I would find it hard to believe that any production car is better round the bends.
When I opened the car up fully, it was then that I had the epiphany and realised what the car was really all about and how Lotus have smashed this. Once proper drivers (not that I am one) 'get' this car the Emira will become a legend - I truly believe this and the demand will increase even further.

[edit - Yes, I am a completely gushing over-enthusiastic severe ADHD suffering fanboy but the car is mesmerising]

“The Emira is Crap at 0-60, Period” —-Crap as compared to others in the price point or the next step up like a 720’s 0-60 in 2.9 or a Base Lamborghini around 2.3. The 911 GT3 is 3.7 but is close to double the cost.

 

[jmn444]

German magazine tested the Emira on Sachsenring the results were according to them, not particularily inspiring. As to 0-100 (62mph) the say the absolute lowest they got was 4,6s (not 4,3 as Lotus claims) Also the laptime was mediocre, 2 seconds off Cayman GTS, worse than Evora 410 and Supra(!) Thay had a Sport suspension with Cup2 tires, of which they suprisingly said is not suited to that track, too soft and too hard at the same time, they said fast turns were its weak point.

Wow, 2 seconds off a GTS is a HUGE gap.

 

[Lotus64]

I doubt if anyone cares, but here's a post I wrote 17 years ago that explained why car magazines started using rollout in all their times.

Basically, Car and Driver noticed an issue where occasionally a car would do the quarter mile at a speed that was also exactly a time-to-speed measurement. In that case, although there was not an error, it looked like there was an error.

For example, if a car did the 1/4 mile in 13.8 at 100.0 mph, that car also had a (correct) 0-to-100 time of about 14.1, because the drag strip numbers always exclude the rollout time (about .3 seconds for a "normal" car).

So to eliminate this appearance of inaccuracy or an error, Car and Driver started excluding the rollout time from all their measurements.

(This has the added benefit of making it look like they somehow can drive better than other magazines lol.)

Anyway, that's the logic that led to not including the rollout time in ALL measurements. I think everyone does it that way now.
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0-60 Numbers, is it all a lie?

www.lotustalk.com

Say it louder for the folks in the back. People are so obsessed with numbers like 0-60 yet don't even know how the figure is derived.

 

[Hell4Leather]

Wow, 2 seconds off a GTS is a HUGE gap.

So .3 seconds off the Marketing numbers on the 0-100km. Were it an automatic one might infer the published time could in fact be accurate. 0-62mph in 4.3s which is close to 0-60 in North America at 4.1-4.2. In an automatic under ideal conditions. Considering the 911 GT3 is 3.7. I can save $150k USD and wait the extra 1/2 second; I’ll make that up in the first turn.

 

[Lotus64]

German magazine tested the Emira on Sachsenring the results were according to them, not particularily inspiring. As to 0-100 (62mph) the say the absolute lowest they got was 4,6s (not 4,3 as Lotus claims) Also the laptime was mediocre, 2 seconds off Cayman GTS, worse than Evora 410 and Supra(!) Thay had a Sport suspension with Cup2 tires, of which they suprisingly said is not suited to that track, too soft and too hard at the same time, they said fast turns were its weak point.

0-100 kph (62mph) in 4.6s equates to a 0-60 time in 4.3s. Remember, metric vs. Imperial.

 

[dgrace]

0-100 kph (62mph) in 4.6s equates to a 0-60 time in 4.3s. Remember, metric vs. Imperial.

No, that's absurd. It doesn't take 0.3s just to get from 60mph to 62mph.

The German magazine's results seem to line up with what I'd expect of the Emira for straight-line acceleration, but the road course results are a bit surprising. I would have expected the excellent brakes and handling would pay more dividends there.