Any way to fix the brake dust?

[luciddaydream]

Hi there
The brake dust on these cars is pretty nuts.
Has anyone come up with a solution to this?

Either pads or some sort of treatment I can put on the wheels?
Thanks a ton

 

[Six Speed Stephen]

I may want this

 

[zoomtt]

I cant wait to see what will come out for our cars!

 

[Time2Fly]

From @Warren-RB on the other CCB thread.

Does the Emira come with standard Ceramic brakes?

Anyone know if the Emira comes with Ceramic brakes standard? If they want this car to compete on a track with a Porsche, you would think they would offer Ceramic brakes, so either it is standard and I can't find the answer, or it is NOT an option and will be an option in later models.

www.emiraforum.com

Warren, what are your thoughts on this for spirited canyon use? No intention to track at the moment. I understand my options are a CCB kit or much lower dust pads.

 

[Warren-RB]

If you are keeping your Emira for long and money is not a real concern, my recommendation is go with ccb.

WHY CARBON CERAMIC BRAKE?​

Summary statement:

• Carbon Ceramic Brake (CCB) adds a special value onto your car.
• It can withstand much higher braking temperature than the conventional iron.
• CCB provides a more direct brake feeling.
• It suffers far less from 'fading' or the reduction in braking power.
• Substantial weight saving over iron brakes (40-50%).
• Last a lot longer than iron brakes.
• Literally no brake dust.
• Improved NVH (less Noise, Vibration and Harshness).
• Improved performance (in both wet and dry conditions).
• Reduced brake wear – giving increased life.
• Corrosion free.
• Outstanding performance, even from cold.

We are a brake company offers both standard iron and ccb so our opinion and advice are impartial unlike others offer only iron brakes they always talk down or even intimate users with mis-information to stay away from ccb by using those old ccb tech when Porsche introduced for their 996 some 20 years ago or Porsche track racers usually do this instead of that....

Not only ccb is an excellent investment for street/spirited (Mountain, Canyon) benefiting from the lighter unsprung weight which can transform how your vehicle performs, but it's also proven to be the most economical and durable setup on TRACKS, over conventional iron brakes.

We must all admit nowadays most consumers are buying on "marketing" and only very few buys "technical merit", meantime think of some compelling reason for you to "believe" in ccb by asking yourself why those exotic cars are default to ccb brakes?; or even why RB listed so extensive in applications on ccb if it's not a good option as they said?

 

[Six Speed Stephen]

Estimated cost on CCB for Emira? $8k?

 

[Warren-RB]

Corvette C8 Z51 (345/350)

Corvette C8 Z51 CCB Rotor (345/350) Upgrade Kit Fits OE Calipers (Not Included) w/o Modifications (P/N 2R22 & 2R23)

Corvette C8 Z51 CCB Rotor (345/350) Upgrade Kit Fits OE Calipers (Not Included) w/o Modifications (P/N 2R22 & 2R23)

racingbrake.com

Porsche 997 (380/350)

RB-CCB Rotor Kit (380x34/350x28) for Porsche 997.2 GT3 Pccb Replacement (P/N 2C12 & 2C25)

RB-CCB Rotor Kit (380x34/350x28) for Porsche 997.2 GT3 Pccb Replacement (P/N 2C12 & 2C25)

racingbrake.com

Emira would probably fall @10K (Includes ccb pads), but if we can have 10+ pre-orders it can be @C8 range.

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[Eagle7]

Corvette C8 Z51 (345/350)

Corvette C8 Z51 CCB Rotor (345/350) Upgrade Kit Fits OE Calipers (Not Included) w/o Modifications (P/N 2R22 & 2R23)

Corvette C8 Z51 CCB Rotor (345/350) Upgrade Kit Fits OE Calipers (Not Included) w/o Modifications (P/N 2R22 & 2R23)

racingbrake.com

Porsche 997 (380/350)

RB-CCB Rotor Kit (380x34/350x28) for Porsche 997.2 GT3 Pccb Replacement (P/N 2C12 & 2C25)

RB-CCB Rotor Kit (380x34/350x28) for Porsche 997.2 GT3 Pccb Replacement (P/N 2C12 & 2C25)

racingbrake.com

Emira would probably fall @10K (Includes ccb pads), but if we can have 10+ pre-orders it can be @C8 range.

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Depends on when you'd be planning on making them. I'd be more likely to be interested in a pre-order if it's after the first of the year.

 

[drjazzsk]

Corvette C8 Z51 (345/350)

Corvette C8 Z51 CCB Rotor (345/350) Upgrade Kit Fits OE Calipers (Not Included) w/o Modifications (P/N 2R22 & 2R23)

Corvette C8 Z51 CCB Rotor (345/350) Upgrade Kit Fits OE Calipers (Not Included) w/o Modifications (P/N 2R22 & 2R23)

racingbrake.com

Porsche 997 (380/350)

RB-CCB Rotor Kit (380x34/350x28) for Porsche 997.2 GT3 Pccb Replacement (P/N 2C12 & 2C25)

RB-CCB Rotor Kit (380x34/350x28) for Porsche 997.2 GT3 Pccb Replacement (P/N 2C12 & 2C25)

racingbrake.com

Emira would probably fall @10K (Includes ccb pads), but if we can have 10+ pre-orders it can be @C8 range.

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Do you also do installation or is that done elsewhere and does the cost include installation if performed at your shop? Thx for all of your work on this.

 

[hugopanec]

We hear you.

Emira brake has a very tight disc annulus available for the brake pad, as a result of fitting the existing McLaren pad to Emira disc we noticed a need for a slight modification at the pad bottom to avoid overhang (outside the disc). The rear pad dimensions were also defined - Airen may want to elaborate this.

So both front and rear pads can now be released to production.

Front Pad:
View attachment 52274
Rear Pad:
View attachment 52275
Will report the leadtime as soon as available.

+1 will be among the first ones to order

 

[Six Speed Stephen]

I think I'll start with the better pads first. They look like they have more contact and will be low dust.

 

[Warren-RB]

Carbon ceramic rotors design is up.
Front: 380x32mm

Rear: 350x32mm

Wt comparison table including ccb.

 

[DriverMod]

Wow that was fast! @Warren-RB

I will be going back to RacingBrake today or Monday to have the rear pads dialed in

 

[Warren-RB]

Airen told me you folks are more adaptive to an alternative setup than other communities (eg. MB, Audi) where the stock replacement must be made "exactly" like OE.
So after more thoughts and tuned-in bench fitment tests (Airen can witness the setup), we decided to offer only RB+ rotor kit in which the front rotor diameter is increased to 380 (from 370), and the rear rotor thickness is reduced to 30mm (from 32) - Easier for you to choose and less components for us.

This proposed RB+ kit would be an upgrade setup to optimize your overall brake performance, more than just a replacement and to better justify your investment.

 

[Eagle7]

Carbon ceramic rotors design is up.
Front: 380x32mm Wt: 12.85 lbs vs. OE 20.82; Save 8 lbs (38.4%)
View attachment 52355
Rear: 350x32mm Wt: 10.58 lbs vs. OE 17.26; Save 6.7 lbs (39%)
View attachment 52356

Wt comparison table including ccb.

Is there a reason why you went to a 380 for the front instead of a 370?

 

[Warren-RB]

1. 380mm (15") is a more common size. It's a standard rotor kit for 19" wheels vs. 370 odd size.
2. Better utilization of caliper and wheel spacing.
3. Increase of brake torque arm = Less pedal effort for the same amount of brake work.
4. 380/350 is the same ccb rotor kit we will be offering for Emira and is also the same for Porsche 997.2 pccb (380x34/350x34), but rotor thickness can only be 32mm due to the OE caliper limitation.
5. Replacement & upgrade at the same time.

 

[Eagle7]

1. 380mm (15") is a more common size. It's a standard rotor kit for 19" wheels vs. 370 odd size.
2. Better utilization of caliper and wheel spacing.
3. Increase of brake torque arm = Less pedal effort for the same amount of brake work.
4. 380/350 is the same ccb rotor kit we will be offering for Emira and is also the same for Porsche 997.2 pccb (380x34/350x34), but rotor thickness can only be 32mm due to the OE caliper limitation.
5. Replacement & upgrade at the same time.

Okay, that works for me!

 

[Tomwa]

What are pad options like for CCB?

Also I get that CCB can take on more heat than Irons, but given the problem with most brake systems is over heating the fluid or pads, would this still require something like "cooling ducts" for track?

Also.. I know there are already issues fitting 18 inch wheels because the barrel will contact the rear parking brake system (something apparently there is some work to resolve) Do the new larger disks just eliminate this as an option?

I tried looking up the 997.2 CCB to see if there were folks out there on 18s but couldn't find.

 

[Warren-RB]

For the retrofit ccb rotor kit we offer ST600 compound brake pads for street/spirited driving which is what this rotor kit is made for.
For track racing we have just finished up a full track kit design which use our 6/4 pot track duty calipers, having the same rotor size as Porsche 991 GT3 pccb (410/390), and the same brake pads as for Corvette ZR1, Ferrari F458, Camaro Z28. This is our flagship kit we offer for GTR, GT350, GT500, Porsche, McLaren, Viper, Corvette, Camaro etc. over the years with a very satisfactory result.

RB-CCB System BBK (410/390) for Lotus Emira (2R74-K & 2R75-K)

RB-CCB System BBK (410/390) for Lotus Emira (2R74-K & 2R75-K)

racingbrake.com

For the same amount of brake work, ccb braking temperature will be higher due to it's lighter weight but it also can resist much higher temperature w/o warping and cracking like iron so as long as you use the proper brake pads, watch the braking temperature, no extra care or additional cooling is required.

For 18" wheels you can only run 350mm rotors - Like Porsche 996/997.1 but it's too small for tracking that resulted a lasting negative impression on ccb for tracking.

Our design/offer is based on what the stock 20" wheel can accommodate; either retaining stock caliper which is a 380/350, or a system kit with 410/390.

With a correct understanding & knowledge how to select the right setup and components you will be joining thousands of enthusiasts, no matter for street or tracks, to enjoy the benefits of ccb brake, especially for track racing not only a worry-free, confidence inspiring but also can save you tons of money and down time in replacement on iron brake.

 

[Warren-RB]

Just a note - BBK rotor size are tentative pending to final wheel fitment test especially for the rear involving a parking brake which may possibly be 400mm (25mm increase is the minimum for bolt space) or stay at 350mm w/o oversizing.

Or an integrated ePB which we are building a rear bbk for the Cybertruck.

 

[DriverMod]