Magicman
Emira Fiend
I could tell you more as well... it's been a hell of a year so far!sounds like you need a drink!
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I could tell you more as well... it's been a hell of a year so far!sounds like you need a drink!
Yes, but that was also down to launching during covid supply chain issues. They were very well aware back in mid 2021 of the issues with auto manufacturing. The launch timing was not great for any manufacturer to launch a new vehicle. Especially bad luck for Lotus with Ukraine situation.(which was unforeseeable) They obviously mis-managed the supply chain situation that has now caused a 10 month delay to the original production plan and now are heading into very un-welcoming economic climate on top of the supply chain woes. Tough times, bad luck, war, mis-managed expectations make for a messy recipe. I don't place all the blame on them obviously, but a pivot in hindsight might have worked out best for them. Easy to say this sitting at my office computer, I know...lolThe timing was fine for launching it. The issue is the delayed deliveries. If there had been a flow of customer cars from May/June, as originally planned, then there would be a groundswell of positive customer support and test drive feedback.
Instead they’ve got growing frustration amongst several deposit holders, alongside them now worrying about their finances.
I think all of the above, plus, is going to be a very expensive proposition if you want to track it, I'll add, too loose on the front end!!My list of things not yet proven from what I’ve seen and because I’ve not had a test drive yet:
None of these individually are deal breakers, it’s more about whether they’ve been improved from pre-prod to prod cars.
- Ride and handling: to what extent has it been compromised compared to the Evora to make it more “daily driver” (may be able to fix this with geometry changes)
- Paint: surface finish, consistency across panels
- Panels: alignment and gap tolerance
- Seats: bolster support when cornering briskly
- Displays: visibility in sunlight and usability while driving
- Gear change, clutch and brake feel
- Exhaust noise (fixable with after market mods)
- Switchgear: solidity (some wobbled on the pre-prod cars) and use while driving (AC controls are behind the shifter, steering wheel controls apparently over sensitive)
- Low speed transmission noise (a weakness on the Evora)
- Wind noise
I agree totally with this list, you can tell Tom is an Evora owner, I would add some others:My list of things not yet proven from what I’ve seen and because I’ve not had a test drive yet:
None of these individually are deal breakers, it’s more about whether they’ve been improved from pre-prod to prod cars.
- Ride and handling: to what extent has it been compromised compared to the Evora to make it more “daily driver” (may be able to fix this with geometry changes)
- Paint: surface finish, consistency across panels
- Panels: alignment and gap tolerance
- Seats: bolster support when cornering briskly
- Displays: visibility in sunlight and usability while driving
- Gear change, clutch and brake feel
- Exhaust noise (fixable with after market mods)
- Switchgear: solidity (some wobbled on the pre-prod cars) and use while driving (AC controls are behind the shifter, steering wheel controls apparently over sensitive)
- Low speed transmission noise (a weakness on the Evora)
- Wind noise
I think you and Tom have highlighted all the issues Lotus used to experience and put off new buyers to the brand like myself. There’s a lot of quality used cars in the region of 80k that may not be as pretty but may well be better screwed together.I agree totally with this list, you can tell Tom is an Evora owner, I would add some others:
•Dashboard creaks, especially around steering column mounts.
•passenger door mirror obstruction from drivers position. Terrible on Evora400 series.
•rear tailgate trim, loose fittings.
Big thing for me is low speed transmission noise, both my cars had it.
But in reality is this car really a move forward from the Evora. Questions out on this?
I honestly think apart from looks, the performance level is not good enough. I fear that there will be first adopters and then they will ditch after 12-18 months.
Off-topic, but I never understood the T. Maybe I've misread/misremembered the specs. Why do you want a T specifically over another model?My back up plan is to buy the best 718 I can find for low $50s I’m hoping I can steal a T
There was a lovely ex works imperial green one that had been for sale for months and months at circa 64kI’ve been following a few used Evora GT410 and GT430. Several have sold in the last 3 weeks and a couple within a week of being advertised.
Same. It's a nice pure car, and the 2.0 4cyl is a really nice engine.Off-topic, but I never understood the T. Maybe I've misread/misremembered the specs. Why do you want a T specifically over another model?
That was my point. Regardless of the many factors that caused the delays, not getting cars in customers' hands in May/June has meant no customer feedback and considerable wavering as the economic backdrop now worsens. If 1200-1500 people already had cars (and dealers had demos) then they'd have 1200-1500 sales in the bank and more people might be inclined to stick with their purchase.Yes, but that was also down to launching during covid supply chain issues. They were very well aware back in mid 2021 of the issues with auto manufacturing. The launch timing was not great for any manufacturer to launch a new vehicle. Especially bad luck for Lotus with Ukraine situation.(which was unforeseeable) They obviously mis-managed the supply chain situation that has now caused a 10 month delay to the original production plan and now are heading into very un-welcoming economic climate on top of the supply chain woes. Tough times, bad luck, war, mis-managed expectations make for a messy recipe. I don't place all the blame on them obviously, but a pivot in hindsight might have worked out best for them. Easy to say this sitting at my office computer, I know...lol
Perhaps they should have extended the current model range of three E's to keep cash flow and workers busy. Give them time to get the supply situation in check and extended timelines, perhaps even launch a slower roll out, less vehicles and let customers know that. Every auto manufacturer has extended existing models because of this. 718 GT4's and Spyder's were suppose to stop production in 2022... here we are building '23 models still. Everyone extended some life cycles to compensate.
dont worry...on the upside in nottingham it was rumoured the women outnumber the men by 3 if not 4 to one..I could tell you more as well... it's been a hell of a year so far!
I can confirm categorically this is not true...dont worry...on the upside in nottingham it was rumoured the women outnumber the men by 3 if not 4 to one..
complete rubbish of course, but sounds good![]()
Mostly it’s about the diff. I’ll be driving it all winter with snow tires.Off-topic, but I never understood the T. Maybe I've misread/misremembered the specs. Why do you want a T specifically over another model?
All fair and valid. Would you not just fancy a 981 GTS for less though?Mostly it’s about the diff. I’ll be driving it all winter with snow tires.
The other reason is this would be my first P car and it comes with all the p car performance parts: 20 mm PASM, diff, chrono, sports seats, 20” painted 911 wheels ($4 freakin thousand dollars ala carte) GT steering wheel etc. Think C7 grand sport. It’d be fun to enjoy all this hardware.
As far as 300hp, I’d install a warranty approved JB4 which adds 80hp, putting it in the same range as my TT, which I’d argue at 3000 pounds, is a street sweet spot.
And these are all musings from a guy who is reaching to spend $80k, not a rich
I drove a 981 and would have a GTS if not for the gearing. 106 mph top of 3rd lol hard passAll fair and valid. Would you not just fancy a 981 GTS for less though?
Ah I forgot the T was a shorter ratio box.I drove a 981 and would have a GTS if not for the gearing. 106 mph top of 3rd lol hard pass
Rich man’s folly changing a gear set on a $80k p carAh I forgot the T was a shorter ratio box.
It never used to really bother me tbh, don't get me wrong it would be better shorter though! 7k for a rebuild on the GTS with shorter ratios and longer final drive...
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