Did lotus rob us on horsepower?

[FST]

Did another launch today, at 4000rpm, warmed up and ready for full blast. The weather was cool in the 20ies. I have cut the video exactly from 0-100 and the time is 6 seconds. I have titanium exhaust, air filter changed, short shifter and back on the stock ecu now however I have dynoed my car before so the numbers are correct… i have not an underperforming engine. I challange you guys to make a video where you hit 4.3 seconds on a manual!

 

[Nick Sticks]

Did another launch today, at 4000rpm, warmed up and ready for full blast. The weather was cool in the mid 20ies. I have cut the video exactly from 0-100 and the time is 6 seconds. I have titanium exhaust, air filter changed, short shifter and back on the stock ecu now however I have dynoed my car before so the numbers are correct… i have not an underperforming engine. I challange you guys to make a video where you hit 4.3 seconds on a manual!

Was that a lift off or a first change where the revs reach just under 5k? The gear indicator seemed to be lagging.
If it's a first change I bet there's a bit to gain there.
I really thought those kids were going to cycle into your path, scary!

 

[FST]

Was that a lift off or a first change where the revs reach just under 5k? The gear indicator seemed to be lagging.
If it's a first change I bet there's a bit to gain there.
I really thought those kids were going to cycle into your path, scary!

Im on the main road and they are on the sidewalk/side road there is no way they can come on my way although there is a crosswalk there is no path on the other side but construction.. don't worry I am a responsible driver If you live here you know how the roads work..

It was from stand stil, kept the rev at approx 4k rpm and launched it, the car was slipping slightly as the tyres were not fully up to temp hence you saw it was hesitant a bit between 4-5k and once the grip was there it started to pull.. didnt go too close to 6500rpm into second as the wall is right there ready to slam your face.

 

[Foxy87]

Well that guy measured 4.78sec. not that I would care though…

 

[hellasf1]

I hit 4.39 but it was around 50 degrees and the road cold and not ideal. I was spinning for at least half a second or so it seemed. Once it warms up I’ll redo it and I think I should be able to hit 60 under 4 or right at it with how I’m set up. I’ll post results when I do which will be a bit.

 

[Tomwa]

Worth noting. Manufacturers will give themselves the most generous interpretation of the measurement. Unless they state otherwise I assume Lotus is including a 1ft rollout.

For those who care what the real world implication is.

 

[Eagle7]

I think it was Mark Twain who once said "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics". Regardless of what the numbers on paper are, once we get warmer weather, I'm going to do some Dragy runs which will measure actual 0-60 times on the street. I'll do two runs on the same stretch of road, one in each direction to eliminate any advantage or disadvantage of slope, and post those actual readouts. I want to do that with the factory iron brake rotors, and then the same thing after I install the CCB rotors. If anybody else has a Dragy, it would be nice to get some comparisons, especially for manual vs auto, and V6 vs i4.

 

[Tracked Emira]

I think it was Mark Twain who once said "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics". Regardless of what the numbers on paper are, once we get warmer weather, I'm going to do some Dragy runs which will measure actual 0-60 times on the street. I'll do two runs on the same stretch of road, one in each direction to eliminate any advantage or disadvantage of slope, and post those actual readouts. I want to do that with the factory iron brake rotors, and then the same thing after I install the CCB rotors. If anybody else has a Dragy, it would be nice to get some comparisons, especially for manual vs auto, and V6 vs i4.

I have a Dragy and will do the Automatic runs in the spring

 

[hellasf1]

I have a Dragy and will do the Automatic runs in the spring

Same. My 4.39 was with a draggy, on a cold day as stated above. I’m not stock thou with the 440 JUBU so will be interesting to see everyone’s best numbers. I will be going with the 460 JUBU probably late spring early summer so will do times on the 440 first then the 460.

 

[FST]

We need more guys like these for the emira

Custom Build

 

[TomAce]

Here‘s a comprehensive comparison:



4,1s for 0-60mph.

 

[Steve24]

Well I just ordered a Dragy so we’ll see what happens.

I suspect all it will do is prove that I can’t drive…

 

[freefall_junkie]

Here‘s a comprehensive comparison:



4,1s for 0-60mph.

Porsche 911 Carrera T manual is £111,300 before options in the UK, 0-60 in 4.5s. I don't place much value on 0-60 figures as 30-70 is much more meaningful in real world driving, but another interesting comparison nonetheless

 

[Beachbum]

I really couldnt care less about 0-60 times, within reason. Sub 5secs is more than enough. After that, I just want power/torque is the areas I need it for real world driving.
An improvement in the 30-50, 40-60, 50-70 zones/times would be of far more interest to me

 

[Lotus64]

The weather was cool in the 20ies. I have cut the video exactly from 0-100 and the time is 6 seconds.

If you're unable to achieve the 5-60 time as tested (4.7s for v6 touring), it's either driver error or an issue with the vehicle.

 

[TomAce]

Porsche 911 Carrera T manual is £111,300 before options in the UK, 0-60 in 4.5s. I don't place much value on 0-60 figures as 30-70 is much more meaningful in real world driving, but another interesting comparison nonetheless

Yes, I posted this video just to show that it can be done. To launch the Emira and get those times. Abusive use of revs is a killer recipe for drivetrain and clutch.

For me personally it is much more relevant to have those figures like 100-200kph. I managed to get 11,2s with my Emira, my old 2016 M2 with HJS downpipe and Wagner intercooler is faster. It's the torque over the rev range which makes the difference.

But there is so much more to it, like the instantenous throttle response of the V6 and of course the sound.

In the end I would sometimes also like to have more ooomph. But I'm really torn, I will have to visit Komotec and drive their test mule with the 475bhp setup. But to be honest I think I know already how this will end...

 

[harleyujoe]

Yes, I posted this video just to show that it can be done. To launch the Emira and get those times. Abusive use of revs is a killer recipe for drivetrain and clutch.

For me personally it is much more relevant to have those figures like 100-200kph. I managed to get 11,2s with my Emira, my old 2016 M2 with HJS downpipe and Wagner intercooler is faster. It's the torque over the rev range which makes the difference.

But there is so much more to it, like the instantenous throttle response of the V6 and of course the sound.

In the end I would sometimes also like to have more ooomph. But I'm really torn, I will have to visit Komotec and drive their test mule with the 475bhp setup. But to be honest I think I know already how this will end...

If You have money you can make any car what you want it to be...But then at that point you should just buy the car that has the Horsepower you want

 

[Tomwa]

If You have money you can make any car what you want it to be...But then at that point you should just buy the car that has the Horsepower you want

That's pretty debatable.

Granted there are people already pointing out that a McLaren 570s for around the same as New Emira money.

I think most people probably weighed in the options and wanted a more reliable motor (which, granted once you start modifying you might throw away), a generally more available dealer network, and 6spd manual is a large differentiator even if the trans on the Emira is not the best.

If we assume you want to retain even some of those aspects though, there aren't a lot of options. BMW is always going to be a tough comparison because most people agree they seem to be rating their cars with WHP not crank. But for some people modifying the Emira may be the right call. Just like it has been for lots of folks modifying the Elise/Exige platform.

Emira isn't as light, but if you aren't looking for a track-rat, if you want something that will be good in so many ways. If you want a Mid Engine RWD 6Spd with modern comfort and good styling... What other car are you suggesting to buy? A GT4... which also only has 414Hp.. so a GT4RS then or Spyder RS... with 490hp.. but wait... that costs like 2x to buy compared to the Emira, has no manual option, and is at production end.

 

[Nova]

To me, as long as a car satisfies some base level of qualifications, then whether someone chooses it as a platform to be driven as-is or for modifications is really just "seasoning to taste". Some of us like the food as is, some wants something a little spicier, etc. Some enjoy tinkering, some enjoy tinkering but don't have the skills to tinker on a car (looking in the mirror), and some are willing to go all out on a car, warranty be damned. There is no wrong answer here.

Some of my most enjoyable driving experiences have been in cars that people disregard as being especially bad. Drive what makes you happy.

Oh and to circle back to the main topic: 0-60 times are just one among many comparable metrics between different cars - it's an indicator, not an invitation to drive it that way. Peak power ratings are also just one among many different indicators. The area under the HP curve, more than the peak HP figure itself, is what counts. As long as the car/engine is putting out the claimed power under ideal conditions, it's fine.

Just how I view this.

 

[harleyujoe]

To me, as long as a car satisfies some base level of qualifications, then whether someone chooses it as a platform to be driven as-is or for modifications is really just "seasoning to taste". Some of us like the food as is, some wants something a little spicier, etc. Some enjoy tinkering, some enjoy tinkering but don't have the skills to tinker on a car (looking in the mirror), and some are willing to go all out on a car, warranty be damned. There is no wrong answer here.

Some of my most enjoyable driving experiences have been in cars that people disregard as being especially bad. Drive what makes you happy.

Oh and to circle back to the main topic: 0-60 times are just one among many comparable metrics between different cars - it's an indicator, not an invitation to drive it that way. Peak power ratings are also just one among many different indicators. The area under the HP curve, more than the peak HP figure itself, is what counts. As long as the car/engine is putting out the claimed power under ideal conditions, it's fine.

Just how I view this.

I being 74 years old and back in my heyday 1970's and the big cu in war and horsepower and 427's and approx 430 HP and
basically they were pulling close to the Emira's time with a 122 cu in 400HP motor...
I think its pretty amazing what these small motors are doing today...
I will be happy with my stock Emira with all the traffic in NJ..
Enjoy Your Emira as Nova has said no matter what you do to it..