Emiras advertised for sale on other sites

[Rudolph]

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Immediate delivery..... Lotus Emira 3.5 V6 met Automaat/ Tiptronic
Netherlands......van der Kooi...............€ 159.950,- = GBP 140.756,-

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LOTUS EXIGE FINAL EDITION CUP 430
€ 149.500,- = GBP 131.560,-

 

[FST]

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Immediate delivery..... Lotus Emira 3.5 V6 met Automaat/ Tiptronic
Netherlands......van der Kooi...............€ 159.950,- = GBP 140.756,-

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LOTUS EXIGE FINAL EDITION CUP 430
€ 149.500,- = GBP 131.560,-

159.000… typical dutch tax payers country. Across the border in Belgium the same car in blue seneca is advertised for 95.000 euros!!

 

[Evotion]

That Cup 430 looks the nuts. I'd love that - as well as the Emira.

 

[JasonR]

159.000… typical dutch tax payers country. Across the border in Belgium the same car in blue seneca is advertised for 95.000 euros!!

Can you not cross the border. Buy the car and then come back with it? Or do you get stung on registration?

 

[Rudolph]

you get stung on registration.....................

 

[FST]

Can you not cross the border. Buy the car and then come back with it? Or do you get stung on registration?

Its gonna be basically the same.. vat, import duties.. same price.. unless its a damaged car you will get discount on import duties some clever guys change panels with damaged ones for registration then refit original panels (doors, hood, bumpers, etc) back to avail discounts

Dont think there are available damaged emiras yet on the market

 

[Rudolph]

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Autotrader UK........today:

EVORA: 17 cars for sale only
EMIRA: 21 cars for sale already

This will increase more and more imho.....the Evora will become rare and exclusive.........

 

[JasonR]

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Autotrader UK........today:

EVORA: 17 cars for sale only
EMIRA: 20 cars for sale already

This will increase more and more imho.....the Evora will become rare and exclusive.........

Obviously. The emira has already sold more than the evora.

Objectively the emira is better looking than the evora also.

Rarity doesn't always mean better

 

[DJS]

Autotrader UK........today:

EVORA: 17 cars for sale only
EMIRA: 20 cars for sale already

This will increase more and more imho.....the Evora will become rare and exclusive.........

I think a lot of people have just moved on with the Emira as it’s taken so long to get the cars out, rather than cancel a lot of deposit holders have seen this as an opportunity to make a few quid, but it now seems that is not the case. I don’t think anyone is going to lose out much at the moment but big overs are off the table. You’ll probably find most of those cars on auto trader are people who have already got into something else.

 

[emiraspain]

With June prices coming in at 85 plus...black pack plus other extras getting you to 87, then on the road getting you to 88, and our friends yellow car not able to sell for 82.x k, it would seem to indicate, unfortunately that the various factors coupled up mean that the Emira, like 99.9% of cars are back to being loss makers. ie you buy it you loose money, even with a "2 year" waiting list.
An Emira initially was worth around 85/86 on the 2nd hand market, for the first 5-10 cars, and that was already lower then we / I were expecting. I hate to say it, but now with 19/21 cars from about 200? delivered UK, they are worth closer to 80k, perhaps the March 1st delivery plate has an effect, which is to be expected. People do want the latest plate and on a 100k car it has an effect of a few k, like it or not, agree or not, a dealer will tell you the truth!
I base my 80k valuation on the fact that none of the higher priced cars are selling, so can be taken out of the equation. Only the lower priced car that is still not selling can be taken into account, although as I have said, at odds with others of course, that Yellow is a marmite colour and not a good reflection of true price, but it's all we have for the moment. We have no good history yet, after 2 3 months of sales, simply due to the fact that the cars are not selling! People are still holding on to hope rather than facing reality. A car is worth, like anything, what someone is prepared to pay for it at the time and hence, 80ish k is the selling price for a private car at the moment.

My own car, sold for 86, has been for sale for 2 months now for 95k, which is insane and bad publicity for the company selling it, who clearly have no grip on reality.
I for one dont see used prices rising with more cars on the road, I see them dropping as there will soon be 30 plus cars for sale. There is no more big publicity or big reviews to come, apart from a potential track comparison with a cayman GTS, which I think we all know how that will turn out. So even with June's price rise, the value of a used Emira will continue to hover around 80-82k through to the Summer and when there are 4-500 cars and 30-40 used for sale, and the prices drop below 80k in September, as I am sure they will, then many people with orders in, awaiting 12 months more for an 88k car, may well be tempted to spend 10k or more less and get one in the Autumn, which will decrease waiting times for others. I'd say for 76-78k you will be able to get a 1500 mile car in your colour of choice around September, lets see if I am right.
This group of people may help to sure up used prices as they pick up the bargains and leave the higher priced cars out there... on a wing and a prayer. But its not just Lotus or the Emira, Vantages have fallen about 7-8k over the last few months and I guess Maaaaclarens also, with only porsches seeming to ride the storm so far, but they will also have to drop, one would think.
Welcome back to reality and I suggest people start asking themselves, is the car worth a 10k premium to get red stitching instead of yellow and to have my name on it first... really? Take the 10k saving and get yourself something nice....or get someone else something nice even.

 

[Twin Cam]

With June prices coming in at 85 plus...black pack plus other extras getting you to 87, then on the road getting you to 88, and our friends yellow car not able to sell for 82.x k, it would seem to indicate, unfortunately that the various factors coupled up mean that the Emira, like 99.9% of cars are back to being loss makers. ie you buy it you loose money, even with a "2 year" waiting list.
An Emira initially was worth around 85/86 on the 2nd hand market, for the first 5-10 cars, and that was already lower then we / I were expecting. I hate to say it, but now with 19/21 cars from about 200? delivered UK, they are worth closer to 80k, perhaps the March 1st delivery plate has an effect, which is to be expected. People do want the latest plate and on a 100k car it has an effect of a few k, like it or not, agree or not, a dealer will tell you the truth!
I base my 80k valuation on the fact that none of the higher priced cars are selling, so can be taken out of the equation. Only the lower priced car that is still not selling can be taken into account, although as I have said, at odds with others of course, that Yellow is a marmite colour and not a good reflection of true price, but it's all we have for the moment. We have no good history yet, after 2 3 months of sales, simply due to the fact that the cars are not selling! People are still holding on to hope rather than facing reality. A car is worth, like anything, what someone is prepared to pay for it at the time and hence, 80ish k is the selling price for a private car at the moment.

My own car, sold for 86, has been for sale for 2 months now for 95k, which is insane and bad publicity for the company selling it, who clearly have no grip on reality.
I for one dont see used prices rising with more cars on the road, I see them dropping as there will soon be 30 plus cars for sale. There is no more big publicity or big reviews to come, apart from a potential track comparison with a cayman GTS, which I think we all know how that will turn out. So even with June's price rise, the value of a used Emira will continue to hover around 80-82k through to the Summer and when there are 4-500 cars and 30-40 used for sale, and the prices drop below 80k in September, as I am sure they will, then many people with orders in, awaiting 12 months more for an 88k car, may well be tempted to spend 10k or more less and get one in the Autumn, which will decrease waiting times for others. I'd say for 76-78k you will be able to get a 1500 mile car in your colour of choice around September, lets see if I am right.
This group of people may help to sure up used prices as they pick up the bargains and leave the higher priced cars out there... on a wing and a prayer. But its not just Lotus or the Emira, Vantages have fallen about 7-8k over the last few months and I guess Maaaaclarens also, with only porsches seeming to ride the storm so far, but they will also have to drop, one would think.
Welcome back to reality and I suggest people start asking themselves, is the car worth a 10k premium to get red stitching instead of yellow and to have my name on it first... really? Take the 10k saving and get yourself something nice....or get someone else something nice even.

Don’t forget to add in the fact that some people will not be buying an Emira on principle alone.

 

[Evotion]

Whatever the price then, now or in the future, to me the car is an absolute bargain.
I was ready to pay £100K for it!
It gets better and better and, a bit like the Shawshank Redemption film, it will start to gather a great name and reputation.

Unfortunately, I believe they will go up and up as news cars and we will still never see a 'cheap' Emira.
I say unfortunately as I would get another one. I am now thinking a performance version will be nearer that £100k and, by then, I will not see the value over my current car.

It looks unbelievable (Joe Public loves it) and is a brilliant road car.

Just thought I'd add my usual over-passionate as a counter to you trying to always drive the price down!

 

[DJS]

I’m not sure the Emira will go up but I don’t think anyone is losing any money anytime soon, yes the car market is about drop its bollocks it has to but I think your safe with the Emira, if Lotus had released it a year ago as they should have done there would have been no doubt of huge overs.

I think the UK market will stay fairly strong until the end of the summer and then boom, if manufacturers are still on a slow turn around on new vehicles and if there is drop in interest rates that could potentially drag this out a little longer, but one things for sure it’s a ticking time bomb.

 

[emiralust]

Personally being the one seeing the correspondence I am getting, this isn’t specifically an Emira market issue. I have plenty of people who want the car but I don’t think they can afford the finance. When a cash buyer who didn’t already have a deposit on the emira comes along it will sell. Theres no way anyone is going to or needs to list at £80k, June is a different time of year too, once the £86k price hike kicks in and the sun is out I would be amazed if any are for sale at £80k. I also don’t understand where this yellow/red price has come from other than a couple of members speculating it is a thing, there is zero data to support this. If red was so sought after and apparent £90k offers being made very recently, why are their 3 for sale, none sold to date and two listed at £85k. The best data we have is the poll on this forum of the colours everyone ordered, it was a dead tie between all colours if I remember correctly other than shadow grey which was lower numbers. Long and short of it is current financial difficulties, usual time of year car market and the fact the people who were most keen for an emira are currently taking delivery of them now By June They will still be £83k+

 

[FederGigant]

In the German Market, the car costs 96.000€ new +1.950€ dealer fees, and flips for 116.000-120.000€. There are probably just too many cars for sale in the UK for too few customers.

 

[Dommo]

Personally being the one seeing the correspondence I am getting, this isn’t specifically an Emira market issue. I have plenty of people who want the car but I don’t think they can afford the finance. When a cash buyer who didn’t already have a deposit on the emira comes along it will sell. Theres no way anyone is going to or needs to list at £80k, June is a different time of year too, once the £86k price hike kicks in and the sun is out I would be amazed if any are for sale at £80k. I also don’t understand where this yellow/red price has come from other than a couple of members speculating it is a thing, there is zero data to support this. If red was so sought after and apparent £90k offers being made very recently, why are their 3 for sale, none sold to date and two listed at £85k. The best data we have is the poll on this forum of the colours everyone ordered, it was a dead tie between all colours if I remember correctly other than shadow grey which was lower numbers. Long and short of it is current financial difficulties, usual time of year car market and the fact the people who were most keen for an emira are currently taking delivery of them now By June They will still be £83k+

The only data you need is the open market, and if they are not selling then they are overpriced.

Obviously there are seasonal good/bad times to sell but we're coming into Spring now, tracks are opening back up and the motor season's starting again.

The fact that you can't 'yet' sell yours for £82k says all you need to know. The cost of finance argument doesn't really stack up either because anyone looking to buy a new one will have to pay 4 grand more than your price, so the cost to finance it (even at a lower rate) will probably cost more than buying your car at a higher rate.

The car market is full of time wasters wanting to talk about cars but I'd have thought any serious buyer in the market for a car worth over £80k would have done some research on finance before contacting any sellers.

Autotrader also just published that car prices have increased for the last 16 months straight, so the car market is still very much alive.

We Buy Any Car has reduced their valuation of the Emira by £4k since last month.

I'm not trying to bash the price (mine is 'apparently' due next month), but I think people need to 'get real' and see that something is only worth what people are willing to pay for it....and people are NOT paying the prices being asked.

 

[richbrown]

With June prices coming in at 85 plus...black pack plus other extras getting you to 87, then on the road getting you to 88, and our friends yellow car not able to sell for 82.x k, it would seem to indicate, unfortunately that the various factors coupled up mean that the Emira, like 99.9% of cars are back to being loss makers. ie you buy it you loose money, even with a "2 year" waiting list.
An Emira initially was worth around 85/86 on the 2nd hand market, for the first 5-10 cars, and that was already lower then we / I were expecting. I hate to say it, but now with 19/21 cars from about 200? delivered UK, they are worth closer to 80k, perhaps the March 1st delivery plate has an effect, which is to be expected. People do want the latest plate and on a 100k car it has an effect of a few k, like it or not, agree or not, a dealer will tell you the truth!
I base my 80k valuation on the fact that none of the higher priced cars are selling, so can be taken out of the equation. Only the lower priced car that is still not selling can be taken into account, although as I have said, at odds with others of course, that Yellow is a marmite colour and not a good reflection of true price, but it's all we have for the moment. We have no good history yet, after 2 3 months of sales, simply due to the fact that the cars are not selling! People are still holding on to hope rather than facing reality. A car is worth, like anything, what someone is prepared to pay for it at the time and hence, 80ish k is the selling price for a private car at the moment.

My own car, sold for 86, has been for sale for 2 months now for 95k, which is insane and bad publicity for the company selling it, who clearly have no grip on reality.
I for one dont see used prices rising with more cars on the road, I see them dropping as there will soon be 30 plus cars for sale. There is no more big publicity or big reviews to come, apart from a potential track comparison with a cayman GTS, which I think we all know how that will turn out. So even with June's price rise, the value of a used Emira will continue to hover around 80-82k through to the Summer and when there are 4-500 cars and 30-40 used for sale, and the prices drop below 80k in September, as I am sure they will, then many people with orders in, awaiting 12 months more for an 88k car, may well be tempted to spend 10k or more less and get one in the Autumn, which will decrease waiting times for others. I'd say for 76-78k you will be able to get a 1500 mile car in your colour of choice around September, lets see if I am right.
This group of people may help to sure up used prices as they pick up the bargains and leave the higher priced cars out there... on a wing and a prayer. But its not just Lotus or the Emira, Vantages have fallen about 7-8k over the last few months and I guess Maaaaclarens also, with only porsches seeming to ride the storm so far, but they will also have to drop, one would think.
Welcome back to reality and I suggest people start asking themselves, is the car worth a 10k premium to get red stitching instead of yellow and to have my name on it first... really? Take the 10k saving and get yourself something nice....or get someone else something nice even.

June build and can’t wait ! Pricing is still ok and I’m not buying an Emira to flip it or as an investment proposition. Enjoy the ride and pleased to see the positive posts coming back into the forum from lucky owners

 

[emiralust]

The only data you need is the open market, and if they are not selling then they are overpriced. This has nothing to do with my comment stopping people from spreading false information about red v yellow price but ok. Cars have sold too.

Obviously there are seasonal good/bad times to sell but we're coming into Spring now, tracks are opening back up and the motor season's starting again. Why the “but”? That’s Exactly what I was saying, season is starting to change and you’re talking like it’s already June this is very early.


The fact that you can't 'yet' sell yours for £82k says all you need to know.

Rounding down from £82,990 is pretty pessimistic of you. It’s been reduced for 3 days and it’s not like I haven’t had buyers. Private selling has complications and isn’t easy. I have have interest at the new price but please continue to know everything and make me feel better about my own sale

The cost of finance argument doesn't really stack up either because anyone looking to buy a new one will have to pay 4 grand more than your price, so the cost to finance it (even at a lower rate) will probably cost more than buying your car at a higher rate. You can’t buy a new one available now so thats a bad comparison. I’m comparing used dealer vs used private. Dealers offer finance but its ontop of a dealer list price. Where as a private purchase will be best suited to a cash buyer to benefit from the cheaper price, as somebody already commented thats a small number of people.

The car market is full of time wasters wanting to talk about cars but I'd have thought any serious buyer in the market for a car worth over £80k would have done some research on finance before contacting any sellers. You would be surprised. I’ve had many people ask some very obvious questions. “Whats your list price?”

Autotrader also just published that car prices have increased for the last 16 months straight, so the car market is still very much alive. Prices and sales are different things. Emira price went up 6k and their deposits went down.

We Buy Any Car has reduced their valuation of the Emira by £4k since last month. Missing information: Reduced from the starting point of offering over the OTR price over 4 weeks. Thats going to happen as more appear on the market, they are just adjusting from an unusual starting point to their usual price point under the market value.

I'm not trying to bash the price (mine is 'apparently' due next month), but I think people need to 'get real' and see that something is only worth what people are willing to pay for it....and people are NOT paying the prices being asked.

I think you need to ‘get real’ selling can be difficult and slow it isn’t as straightforward as you naively comment. The fact mine didn’t instantly sell the day I reduced it is worrying yes. The way I see it and others have commented is my price is more than reasonable. It goes to show how small the number of used cash buyers for them are right now and not that they are over priced. Like I was trying to harmlessly comment before, feb/march vs June are different markets and right now it’s slow. Many factors meaning you can’t directly compare this to models which have been in production for years.

My replies are in bold for you. You were frustratingly selective/generalised with your information for somebody who isn’t trying to bash the price. I don’t understand how a forum for the car would want to talk the prices down

 

[Dommo]

My replies are in bold for you. You were frustratingly selective/generalised with your information for somebody who isn’t trying to bash the price. I don’t understand how a forum for the car would want to talk the prices down

For ease of reading, I'll respond in Italic!

I don't know what you found so frustrating about my reply, or what motive you think I'd have for bashing the price considering I have one on order!! I would love to see it sell for £100k as many others seem to think will happen....but it won't

The only data you need is the open market, and if they are not selling then they are overpriced. This has nothing to do with my comment stopping people from spreading false information about red v yellow price but ok. Cars have sold too.

My comment on data was not related to your own comment on data/colour. It was my suggestion that you use the data from the market.

Obviously there are seasonal good/bad times to sell but we're coming into Spring now, tracks are opening back up and the motor season's starting again. Why the “but”? That’s Exactly what I was saying, season is starting to change and you’re talking like it’s already June this is very early.

Because we are already at the start of the seasonal 'sports car buying window' . I've been watching other sports cars in the same price bracket sell very quickly and they're not in limited supply. But yet the same 20 odd Emiras are still there....

The fact that you can't 'yet' sell yours for £82k says all you need to know.

Rounding down from £82,990 is pretty pessimistic of you. It’s been reduced for 3 days and it’s not like I haven’t had buyers. Private selling has complications and isn’t easy. I have have interest at the new price but please continue to know everything and make me feel better about my own sale

The fact that you've advertised it for £82990 instead of £83k is surely rounding down what you actually want....
And the reality is that anyone going private rather than the dealer route is looking for the cheapest deal and will still press you for £82k anyway....which I believe you would take considering the lack of 'genuine' buyers at your previous price; and based on the closely priced dealer cars who can offer easy finance and PX.

Also, I'm not some sort of imbecile that's never sold a car privately. I've just sold one of my own cars on the weekend and have had the exact same time wasters sending me messages asking me every question under the sun just to follow it up with some bullsh@t excuse to get back to you.

The cost of finance argument doesn't really stack up either because anyone looking to buy a new one will have to pay 4 grand more than your price, so the cost to finance it (even at a lower rate) will probably cost more than buying your car at a higher rate. You can’t buy a new one available now so thats a bad comparison. I’m comparing used dealer vs used private. Dealers offer finance but its ontop of a dealer list price. Where as a private purchase will be best suited to a cash buyer to benefit from the cheaper price, as somebody already commented thats a small number of people.

You are missing the point here....Finance is available to anyone, you don't need a dealer, there are plenty of finance companies for this. And if you are a cash buyer then of course you'll buy off the person with the best car for the best price but that's not relevant to your 'interested buyers' who 'wanted' the car but couldn't afford finance...

The car market is full of time wasters wanting to talk about cars but I'd have thought any serious buyer in the market for a car worth over £80k would have done some research on finance before contacting any sellers. You would be surprised. I’ve had many people ask some very obvious questions. “Whats your list price?”

That sort of question in itself should tell you how interested these potential buyers are in your car

Autotrader also just published that car prices have increased for the last 16 months straight, so the car market is still very much alive. Prices and sales are different things. Emira price went up 6k and their deposits went down.

The information from Autotrader is based on listed cars that subsequently sold

We Buy Any Car has reduced their valuation of the Emira by £4k since last month. Missing information: Reduced from the starting point of offering over the OTR price over 4 weeks. Thats going to happen as more appear on the market, they are just adjusting from an unusual starting point to their usual price point under the market value.

If you want to talk about 'missing information' then you'd better do more research. You'll find earlier posts with screenshots of WBAC offering £67k when the first UK cars came to market. Then they shifted to £80k when the greedy flippers and dealers listed them way over odds. And now they've adjusted accordingly.

I think you'll find they have a fairly sophisticated pricing system based on algorithms in the market.

I'm not trying to bash the price (mine is 'apparently' due next month), but I think people need to 'get real' and see that something is only worth what people are willing to pay for it....and people are NOT paying the prices being asked.

I think you need to ‘get real’ selling can be difficult and slow it isn’t as straightforward as you naively comment. The fact mine didn’t instantly sell the day I reduced it is worrying yes. The way I see it and others have commented is my price is more than reasonable. It goes to show how small the number of used cash buyers for them are right now and not that they are over priced. Like I was trying to harmlessly comment before, feb/march vs June are different markets and right now it’s slow. Many factors meaning you can’t directly compare this to models which have been in production for years.

I get it, I probably touched a nerve! I'd certainly be nervous if I ploughed £80k into a car with no intention of keeping it, just to find that I might end up losing money.

You can gleam as much 'confirmation bias' as you need from the selected comments if that help you feel better about your price and I honestly hope you sell it before the flood gates open......flipping cars is not for the faint hearted!

 

[DJS]

This is a subject not worth falling out over, we all have our own views on why the Emira isn’t going for overs at the moment, for me I think anybody and everybody who wants an Emira here in the Uk is already in one or in the queue waiting for delivery, I also think anybody who has done their homework is also thinking like me not to touch the early early cars (yes the ones all over autotrader) it would be easy for me to pay 5k over and pick up an Emira tomorrow but NO I’m going to wait and take a car in a few months in the summer with less teething issues (even if only minor).

I mean look at TomE for example, his dedication and to this forum and the Emira has been second to none and look at what he’s doing, it makes compete sense in my eyes.

I think there will be a second wave of interest for this car once the Emira moves away from the enthusiasts but if your in this to not lose any money or make money then you should probably think again.