I'm out - the cancellations thread

[Pegasi]

This sentiment is the exact reason I never proclaimed "I'M OUT" before dramatically storming off despite the routine aggravation. The Emira sport is simply the best driving car I've ever encountered by a mile and the closest thing I've felt to a motorcycle on 4 wheels, with out of this world looks! Would be forever disappointed having to settle for less...

I have never driven a street bike, just dirt bikes when I was younger. What about the Emira makes it close to a motorcycle on 4 wheels in your opinion? I know your statement could be obvious but in lieu of no CARB approval, let's keep talking!

 

[SlavaUkraini]

@Lotus64 Try a McLaren 720 if you get the chance…

 

[Lotus64]

I have never driven a street bike, just dirt bikes when I was younger. What about the Emira makes it close to a motorcycle on 4 wheels in your opinion? I know your statement could be obvious but in lieu of no CARB approval, let's keep talking!

It's the light, unfiltered sensation.... It's responses are quick and responsive to the driver's desires. Every fraction that you actuate the controls, it responds accordingly, with direct feedback between the driver's inputs and vehicle's output. It's a mechanical, analog, sensitive, unassisted feeling.... akin to typing on a keyboard vs. a touch screen.

@Lotus64 Try a McLaren 720 if you get the chance…

If I see any lying around I will! I'm sure it's good.

 

[KCMO68_510]

msrp on yellow one is 95 which is ok for me but he’s asking new msrp to make money . I asked about the yellow one

To be honest, if someone has a deposit on a FE1.0 at $95k they should absolutely take delivery and ask for the $12K price hike when reselling. It's literally the same car and that is the current MSRP price. They earned that value by putting a deposit down years ago.

 

[SteveB]

Interestingly, the JUBU 440 makes the same peak torque, and does so through a good chunk of the rev range, so in reality, without messing with ratios & stuff, that 440 is going to pull just as hard in each (std) gear as the 460. only in that very upper rpm would the 460 be any better.
If you choose the higher rev limiter (7200) with the 440, at least you get a more flexible band, where it might be nice to rev out a little more (between corners for example, sticking with a gear, rather than having to shift?) with the same (500 ish) nm throughout most of the range. I think the 440 is pretty good value. Not to mention you get to kick out that awful abrupt rev-limiter that you inherit with the stock ECU.

Also, it's potentially 445/447 with the decat pipe.

440 gets my vote for VFM and potentially keeping your warranty.

Following with interest as I have come to the same conclusion - the Jubu 440 ECU package would seem to offer multiple benefits for the Emira. First time I drove the Emira was on the Hethel test track and it struck me it needed more torque in the low-mid rev range to get the car pulling out of tight corners. Not sure I will track my Emira but more torque, particularly at lower revs, would be important for good lap times on tracks with slow/tight corners and the 440 package appears to provide exactly this. Also, the rev limiter can be raised to 7200 giving more scope to use maximum power before hitting the limiter (plus a power increase to 440hp with the potential for more with other mods).

I gather the Jubu ECU can also be programmed to have an auto blip which, for me, would be very useful as I’m not sure I can reprogramme my brain for heel toe! Does anyone know if the auto throttle blip works for every downshift or only if higher revs needed for the gear selected at the speed the car is travelling?

The ability to easily switch back to the Lotus stock ECU (if ever required) is also appealing. My only concerns are if I have to drive from the UK to Austria to have one fitted and if fitment voids the Lotus warranty?

 

[JonFuller]

They will post the 440 ecu to you. Plug & play, no rolling road needed.

 

[Cutting42]

I finally bailed on the Emira, never thought I would do this. Not ruling out looking again in a couple of years at a used one or maybe a higher performance version but for me the future is a Mantis Green 650s.

Good luck to you all and I will look in occasionally.

 

[Newguy1354]

I finally bailed on the Emira, never thought I would do this. Not ruling out looking again in a couple of years at a used one or maybe a higher performance version but for me the future is a Mantis Green 650s.

Good luck to you all and I will look in occasionally.

Dang! That's a whole different beast!

 

[VL3X]

a Mantis Green 650s.

oh!!! I want pics!!

 

[Cutting42]

oh!!! I want pics!!

It’s this car, deposit paid and insurance in process. Has some prep work to be done so a couple of weeks away from pickup

 

[Fasttoys]

It’s this car, deposit paid and insurance in process. Has some prep work to be done so a couple of weeks away from pickup

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Great car, had a McLaren 570 & drove all of them even the P1. Some major downfalls with McLaren Rods in the motors and trans can be major issues so be careful to get a warranty or you will be paying $$$$$ to fix it when it goes BOOM. Another thought, other than the Lotus & McLaren being British companies and both having 4 tires and a steering wheel they are not even in the same demographic or class of sports car. Mclaren used north of 75 to 100K plus more than a new Lotus Emira, surprised the Emira was even a consideration just based on Performance and $$$.

Join the attached: Talks about the RODS going BOOM> https://www.mclarenlife.com/threads/catastrophic-engine-failure-after-service.112602/#replies
& another great site: https://www.650sforum.com/

 

[kratedisease]

Took Delivery of my 570s yesterday.

This is NOT an easy "user friendly" car to drive. Pedals very very close together, brakes are difficult to modulate and pedal is rock hard. Feels like I am sitting on the ground.
This is NO "Corvette". My C8 Corvette feels like a Cadillac compared to the 570s.
I love the car, but honestly very similar and raw feeling like driving my Dodge Viper.
The 570s is NOT a refined car. There is a learning curve with the 570s, unlike when I test drove the EMIRA. Truth is truth. The EMIRA felt like getting behind the wheel of Nissan 370Z or a Supra or a Corvette. Just hop in and drive. NO learning curve and user friendly. The 570s requires learning how to drive a track car similar to my Dodge Viper. Not a car you feel comfortable driving right away.

But she is a keeper, and I still love the car.

( BTW, .....yes, the 570s will be street parked, since garages are for sissies)

 

[brainf18]

Like the Mclarens but no manual option is a deal breaker. IMHO, A 6 speed manual transmission is a must for a true driving experience. Also my friends that have owned Mclarens quickly fall out of love when things break and they see the costs to get them fixed.

 

[Cutting42]

Great car, had a McLaren 570 & drove all of them even the P1. Some major downfalls with McLaren Rods in the motors and trans can be major issues so be careful to get a warranty or you will be paying $$$$$ to fix it when it goes BOOM. Another thought, other than the Lotus & McLaren being British companies and both having 4 tires and a steering wheel they are not even in the same demographic or class of sports car. Mclaren used north of 75 to 100K plus more than a new Lotus Emira, surprised the Emira was even a consideration just based on Performance and $$$.

Join the attached: Talks about the RODS going BOOM> https://www.mclarenlife.com/threads/catastrophic-engine-failure-after-service.112602/#replies
& another great site: https://www.650sforum.com/

I have done a lot of research. The rods are fine on stock power, I am not into modding. I will be getting a warranty and buying through a McLaren specialist, they are independent only and hour from me and have a great reputation looking after the cars.

I am buying used and the cost is only £3k over what the Emira would have cost me, I think McLarens are much more expensive in the US. Supercar bargain of the century to my perspective. Lots of former Lotus chassis engineers worked on the early McLaren cars so quite closely linked.

 

[Cutting42]

Took Delivery of my 570s yesterday.

This is NOT an easy "user friendly" car to drive. Pedals very very close together, brakes are difficult to modulate and pedal is rock hard. Feels like I am sitting on the ground.
This is NO "Corvette". My C8 Corvette feels like a Cadillac compared to the 570s.
I love the car, but honestly very similar and raw feeling like driving my Dodge Viper.
The 570s is NOT a refined car. There is a learning curve with the 570s, unlike when I test drove the EMIRA. Truth is truth. The EMIRA felt like getting behind the wheel of Nissan 370Z or a Supra or a Corvette. Just hop in and drive. NO learning curve and user friendly. The 570s requires learning how to drive a track car similar to my Dodge Viper. Not a car you feel comfortable driving right away.

But she is a keeper, and I still love the car.

( BTW, .....yes, the 570s will be street parked, since garages are for sissies)

Beautiful.

I went for the 650s partially because of the active ride. Yes more to go wrong and the accumulators are a consumable to some degree but the ride in normal mode is sublime, leave it in auto and it gives a lovely GT feel if you need to get some miles in. Then sport or track to sharpen up and go into supercar mode.


I will be parked on a drive not a garage!

 

[Coreyalert3]

I've had my 650s for 3 years and 12k miles added (16K total). No major issues and I've been tuned 100whp extra on the dyno for 2.5 years. Accumulators, a driver door motor, and squeaky brakes fixed with a factory rear brake Damper kit are the only fixes I've done beyond normal yearly service at an independent McLaren shop. Been a great experience. Spent more in repairs on my Evora 400 than the McLaren

 

[Cutting42]

My Emira alternative was picked up today. Very happy with it but still a little regretful on the Emira. Also by strange coincidence the 4 week wait to get my deposits refunded by Lotus finally resolved today, just as I was making the final payment for the 650s.

I will for sure keep popping in here as I would like to get an Emira at some point. Hope to see some of you at a cars and coffee event or maybe in the super-car parking at Goodwood/Silverstone etc.

 

[VL3X]

My Emira alternative was picked up today. Very happy with it but still a little regretful on the Emira. Also by strange coincidence the 4 week wait to get my deposits refunded by Lotus finally resolved today, just as I was making the final payment for the 650s.

I will for sure keep popping in here as I would like to get an Emira at some point. Hope to see some of you at a cars and coffee event or maybe in the super-car parking at Goodwood/Silverstone etc.

Epic spec! Congrats again!!

 

[driv300mph]

My Emira alternative was picked up today. Very happy with it but still a little regretful on the Emira. Also by strange coincidence the 4 week wait to get my deposits refunded by Lotus finally resolved today, just as I was making the final payment for the 650s.

I will for sure keep popping in here as I would like to get an Emira at some point. Hope to see some of you at a cars and coffee event or maybe in the super-car parking at Goodwood/Silverstone etc.

What's up with the wheel gap? Is the lift system all the way up?

 

[Cutting42]

What's up with the wheel gap? Is the lift system all the way up?

Yes, I have found out this is a bit of a faux pas with supercars. Never post pics with the lift engaged. My drive has a steep curb so logic told me to leave it up so I don't forget and scrape carbon splitter etc. Must remember to only post pics in the lowered position.