I'm out - the cancellations thread

[robrmon]

Miller had en Evora GT with the JPS livery and around 500 original miles. Price was OK for the area but I passed because I was super worried about how long it had sat without being moved, much less driven.

I took it for a test drive. It had collectors miles on it only if I recall.

 

[Speedy Emira]

I’m so surprised when people say the car could use more power. Of course this is kind of true on most cars. But when you look at the numbers it should feel plenty fast 400hp, 3200 lbs.

I wonder if it’s because everyone is used to turbo cars that generate near max torque at 1800 rpms (which is kind of amazing actually) or people are driving half throttle? OR people are expecting a significantly faster car, the kind where you can’t actually floor it regularly because the car really has too much power for the platform, tires always losing traction?

I’m not criticizing any one person because it’s come up in a few reviews as well.

End of the day, this seems more like the s2000 where if you don’t give it the beans it may not impress. Give it the beans and it’s a different story.

I just came from a turbo car weighing 50kg more and nearly twice the power so yes it isn’t as fast. That doesn’t matter because the drive is so engaging and it’s the best looking car around. I think the sweet spot would be 500hp for very competent drivers who would make use of the power but going further would probably be a waste.
Cost is a big factor as pointed out on a non turbo car and unless you are prepared to chuck £30-£40k at it the 460hp option from JUBU makes sense.

 

[JonFuller]

Interestingly, the JUBU 440 makes the same peak torque, and does so through a good chunk of the rev range, so in reality, without messing with ratios & stuff, that 440 is going to pull just as hard in each (std) gear as the 460. only in that very upper rpm would the 460 be any better.
If you choose the higher rev limiter (7200) with the 440, at least you get a more flexible band, where it might be nice to rev out a little more (between corners for example, sticking with a gear, rather than having to shift?) with the same (500 ish) nm throughout most of the range. I think the 440 is pretty good value. Not to mention you get to kick out that awful abrupt rev-limiter that you inherit with the stock ECU.

Also, it's potentially 445/447 with the decat pipe.

440 gets my vote for VFM and potentially keeping your warranty.

 

[Lotus64]

I have to say that I drove the McLaren and I enjoyed it and obviously really like the car, but I still have EMIRA on my mind.

I say that because factually speaking.....I had much more engaging fun experience driving the manual EMIRA on the test drive than this McLaren.

Lotus needs to get more people to test drive the EMIRA and they will buy them. By far the best driving car I have driven is the EMIRA. So visceral, so old school. Test driving the EMIRA felt like what is was like in the 1970's when I was 16-17yrs old and when cars were visceral and you were so attached to the mechanics of the engine and driveline and the analog feeling. You just "feel" everything in the EMIRA, and even this McLaren 570 feels numb and detached as compared to the EMIRA. The EMIRA felt like the old BMW 2002's and the old Alfa's 1970's GTV2000.

That is why the EMIRA is still on my want list and I will get one eventually

This sentiment is the exact reason I never proclaimed "I'M OUT" before dramatically storming off despite the routine aggravation. The Emira sport is simply the best driving car I've ever encountered by a mile and the closest thing I've felt to a motorcycle on 4 wheels, with out of this world looks! Would be forever disappointed having to settle for less...

 

[JonFuller]

Update from JUBU.

"Hi John,
We have worked intensively on this topic and have come up with a solution for the OEM Emira.
We were able to modify the software with our P&P Syvecs kit, so that 440hp can be realized without hesitation with all OEM parts!
This kit includes a plug & play version and is the base for a later upgrade to 460Kit, as the ECU can continue to be used with new software.

Please note - you can unplug the OEM ECU and not lose any warranty "
And my reply.
Hi Jürgen, thanks for this, that sounds perfect.
I have one more question.
If the OEM ECU is removed, and I run the JUBU unit for say 6 months, then need to go for service, or warranty work, and re-install the OEM unit, will it be obvious to the Lotus service centre that it hasn't been in the car, by a lack of saved data log? In other words, will they know from the logs, that it has been inoperative for 6 months?

Kindest regards

Jon

 

[silent cilantro]

Update from JUBU.

"Hi John,
We have worked intensively on this topic and have come up with a solution for the OEM Emira.
We were able to modify the software with our P&P Syvecs kit, so that 440hp can be realized without hesitation with all OEM parts!
This kit includes a plug & play version and is the base for a later upgrade to 460Kit, as the ECU can continue to be used with new software.

Please note - you can unplug the OEM ECU and not lose any warranty "
And my reply.
Hi Jürgen, thanks for this, that sounds perfect.
I have one more question.
If the OEM ECU is removed, and I run the JUBU unit for say 6 months, then need to go for service, or warranty work, and re-install the OEM unit, will it be obvious to the Lotus service centre that it hasn't been in the car, by a lack of saved data log? In other words, will they know from the logs, that it has been inoperative for 6 months?

Kindest regards

Jon

Thanks for communicating with them and keeping us updated Jon, it definitely seems like this 440 option is the way to go!

 

[Speedy Emira]

Update from JUBU.

"Hi John,
We have worked intensively on this topic and have come up with a solution for the OEM Emira.
We were able to modify the software with our P&P Syvecs kit, so that 440hp can be realized without hesitation with all OEM parts!
This kit includes a plug & play version and is the base for a later upgrade to 460Kit, as the ECU can continue to be used with new software.

Please note - you can unplug the OEM ECU and not lose any warranty "
And my reply.
Hi Jürgen, thanks for this, that sounds perfect.
I have one more question.
If the OEM ECU is removed, and I run the JUBU unit for say 6 months, then need to go for service, or warranty work, and re-install the OEM unit, will it be obvious to the Lotus service centre that it hasn't been in the car, by a lack of saved data log? In other words, will they know from the logs, that it has been inoperative for 6 months?

Kindest regards

Jon

It will be interesting to see how the P&P Syvecs is installed and how long it takes. My previous car had a Syvecs and it too many hours due to having things like flex fuel, fuel temp, P3 gauge, etc., where some needed bespoke wiring in.
Hopefully this will be a simple case of finding a suitable location, running 3/4 cables with cable ties abound swapping some OEM style plugs over. Where we need further clarification on is the install because I noticed you get about 200 euros off if you get someone to install. I’m in the UK so an Austria trip for anything other than a built engine isn’t an option. If we use 98/99 fuel all the time it appears there is a preset program for that but it mentions a rolling road test. For me personally this means someone to install and separately having it booked into a rolling road garage where a Syvecs specialist can attend to carry out the run and make any required adjustments. The cost of the Emira 100% I’d want a Syvecs specialist doing this because there are too many tuners who say yes to working on any system in the badis of they all basically do the same thing and I can only imagine my wife’s reaction if I had a non warranty engine failure. I think if it is only a 1 hour install which is optimistic and the rolling road side is 2/3 hours we have to budget for £750+ and no way 200 euros. It would be nice to hear there thoughts on this.
Lastly I forgot to say previously JUBU mentioned around 500nm was the safe point they were stopping at on a non built engine and the reason why the 440 is nearly the same as the 460.

 

[kratedisease]

This sentiment is the exact reason I never proclaimed "I'M OUT" before dramatically storming off despite the routine aggravation. The Emira sport is simply the best driving car I've ever encountered by a mile and the closest thing I've felt to a motorcycle on 4 wheels, with out of this world looks! Would be forever disappointed having to settle for less...

I agree. I have a Dodge Viper GTS and driving that feels like a tractor compared to the EMIRA

 

[Speedy Emira]

I agree. I have a Dodge Viper GTS and driving that feels like a tractor compared to the EMIRA

I bet it’s great though. What engine does it have?

 

[John777]

I bet it’s great though. What engine does it have?

Usually a V10 8L or so.

 

[Tobiasz17azs]

Hello
I’m still looking for my wife v1 cancelation . If any of you want deposit back I’m happy to help . Needs to be yellow or blue .

 

[kratedisease]

I bet it’s great though. What engine does it have?

V10 with a ROE supercharger ..... over 650HP

 

[Hell4Leather]

Pretty hypocritical don't you think? You worry more about other people "clogging the line" when you're doing it yourself.

How am I clogging it, I’m buying one if they have one to sell…..

 

[Gprodigy]

Hello
I’m still looking for my wife v1 cancelation . If any of you want deposit back I’m happy to help . Needs to be yellow or blue .

There's a blue one in orlando, but the owner wants $125k for it.

After Carb's is released "soon" check the sites.

 

[Tobiasz17azs]

There's a blue one in orlando, but the owner wants $125k for it.

After Carb's is released "soon" check the sites.12

 

[Hell4Leather]

There's a blue one in orlando, but the owner wants $125k for it.

After Carb's is released "soon" check the sites.

There are two on Facebook lotus groups . One is yellow I forget the other. Both MSRP, just people wanting their deposits back.

https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1106083620560209/?ref=newsfeed

 

[Tobiasz17azs]

There are two on Facebook lotus groups . One is yellow I forget the other. Both MSRP, just people wanting their deposits back.

msrp on yellow one is 95 which is ok for me but he’s asking new msrp to make money . I asked about the yellow one

 

[Gprodigy]

There are two on Facebook lotus groups . One is yellow I forget the other. Both MSRP, just people wanting their deposits back.

https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1106083620560209/?ref=newsfeed

interesting... I saw that one in person last week, asked the dealer if anyone was getting rid of theirs for my friend, but they only told me about the high priced blue one.

 

[JonFuller]

Update from JUBU.

"Hi John,
We have worked intensively on this topic and have come up with a solution for the OEM Emira.
We were able to modify the software with our P&P Syvecs kit, so that 440hp can be realized without hesitation with all OEM parts!
This kit includes a plug & play version and is the base for a later upgrade to 460Kit, as the ECU can continue to be used with new software.

Please note - you can unplug the OEM ECU and not lose any warranty "
And my reply.
Hi Jürgen, thanks for this, that sounds perfect.
I have one more question.
If the OEM ECU is removed, and I run the JUBU unit for say 6 months, then need to go for service, or warranty work, and re-install the OEM unit, will it be obvious to the Lotus service centre that it hasn't been in the car, by a lack of saved data log? In other words, will they know from the logs, that it has been inoperative for 6 months?

Kindest regards

Jon

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[silent cilantro]

“If the OEM ECU is removed, and I run the JUBU unit for say 6 months, then need to go for service, or warranty work, and re-install the OEM unit, will it be obvious to the Lotus service centre that it hasn't been in the car, by a lack of saved data log? In other words, will they know from the logs, that it has been inoperative for 6 months?”


Interested in that as well. As you said, I would think it would be pretty obvious to tell the ECU was not installed in the car due to the lack of logs.

Maybe dealer will assume something is wrong with the factory ECU