Is it weird I like driving it a lot more than modern 911's?

[luciddaydream]

I have had a 997,991, and a tuned 992.1 GTS.

The 992.1 GTS is a complete beast when its going over 120 or so.

But at slow speeds, I hate to say it.. but.. it is.. boring.

Honestly, I dont really get the hype on why enthusiasts love modern 911s.

I LOVE that brand it will always be near and dear to my heart.

But, god, get an Emira, do third-cat delete, eventuri, and rip that f*cker on a fall day with the windows down and theres nothin' like it (as far as I've experienced at least).

Its an epic emotional experience I have not had with a car before.

Maybe a GT3 would be slick, but, everything is so big..

 

[s2kmunpo]

I think the 911 is an incredible car... and more capable than the Emira
I'm just saying I don't think the driver has as much of a connected, emotional feeling anymore - unless you're going at illegal speeds.

The emira also feels smaller inside, which I like. Yes, its wider than the 911 but quite a bit shorter.

I mean, I don't know that I would say 8.7cm is QUITE a bit shorter. Park them next to each other and they will look almost the same size. Not the best photo but my old Evora parked next to my 991 did not look all that much smaller. And we know the Emira is a tad larger than the Evora. I will concede on the interior feeling smaller though. Having the rear engine layout gives the interior a very roomy feel.

 

[Carig5A]

Couldn't agree more...I've owned every variant of the 911 from The SC through the 991.1. (circa 1982-2013) And saw first hand how 911's morphed from a driver focus sports car to a large, heavy grand tourer. Modern 911's are marvels of engineering but they are no longer driver focused sports cars. New Porsche GT cars are more driver focused but models such as the GT3, GT3 Touring and S/T are nearly unobtainable from the dealer as a new allocation. Dealers cater to their uber-customers who buy them, park them, and flip them in a year to take a profit. All of this doesn't change the fact the the 911 in any of its various forms is just too big to be a true sports car by "traditional" definitions. If anyone doubts that statement look at a "G" body 911 next to a modern 911. From a size comparison, its like parking a Miata next to a 70's Cadillac. View attachment 53118

I have a 2020 911 and when I compare the size from my neighbor’s P (mid 90s) the size difference is evident. Reading all these posts excite me as I look forward to getting mine end of month post-PPF et al

 

[crestima]

Couldn't agree more...I've owned every variant of the 911 from The SC through the 991.1. (circa 1982-2013) And saw first hand how 911's morphed from a driver focus sports car to a large, heavy grand tourer. Modern 911's are marvels of engineering but they are no longer driver focused sports cars. New Porsche GT cars are more driver focused but models such as the GT3, GT3 Touring and S/T are nearly unobtainable from the dealer as a new allocation. Dealers cater to their uber-customers who buy them, park them, and flip them in a year to take a profit. All of this doesn't change the fact the the 911 in any of its various forms is just too big to be a true sports car by "traditional" definitions. If anyone doubts that statement look at a "G" body 911 next to a modern 911. From a size comparison, its like parking a Miata next to a 70's Cadillac. View attachment 53118

Concur. Also as a 7 year owner of a 911.2 GTS, my biggest gripe with the direction of the model is its progressive size increase and porky-ness. The dimensions of the 991s had already reached my tolerance level, something that was confirmed when I test drove the 992 some three years ago and ended up opting to order the Emira instead. The 911 has become a great Grand Tourer but, sadly, it's no longer a sports car, as far as my definition of one is concerned. I also have a 2019 MX-5 which represents the opposing ethos, it's small, light and very tossable. Despite the Miata's relatively lower HP level, it's a blast to drive, as is the case with the Emira.

 

[meenboli]

I have found that the 3rd cat delete + eventuri definitely gives it significantly more power. It is still a tad light on power but it definitely gives the car a bump. Much better in 2nd.

Does anybody have any figures for the actual improvements this makes? new HP?

 

[Eagle7]

Does anybody have any figures for the actual improvements this makes? new HP?

I didn't do the 3rd cat delete, but I have a dyno chart in my project thread of the gain from the Eventuri compared to stock. It's noticeable. https://www.emiraforum.com/threads/adding-lightness.4796/page-5

 

[Eagle7]

I finally put on my GRP cat delete last night, and wow. The car should have come like this from the factory. It's SO much better at moderate RPM and part throttle, it's wild. Drivability significantly improved.

And the SOUND!

I would love to see a dyno chart of the difference with just the 3rd cat delete. @GRP were you able to do a dyno run like that?

 

[Porter]

I would love to see a dyno chart of the difference with just the 3rd cat delete. @GRP were you able to do a dyno run like that?

I'm not sure it would show the difference at full throttle, that's fully into open loop and sort of a max curve.

The difference I noticed immediately was improvement in engine response at part throttle, which wouldn't show on a dyno plot in a way that could be directly compared on a graph.

 

[Porter]

I mean, I don't know that I would say 8.7cm is QUITE a bit shorter. Park them next to each other and they will look almost the same size. Not the best photo but my old Evora parked next to my 991 did not look all that much smaller. And we know the Emira is a tad larger than the Evora. I will concede on the interior feeling smaller though. Having the rear engine layout gives the interior a very roomy feel.

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I believe he was referring to the height of the car, not the length.

 

[Eagle7]

I'm not sure it would show the difference at full throttle, that's fully into open loop and sort of a max curve.

The difference I noticed immediately was improvement in engine response at part throttle, which wouldn't show on a dyno plot in a way that could be directly compared on a graph.

What rpms were you at? Was it a feeling of more torque?