USA/Canada Delivery Thread

[Porter]

I could definitely understand a price increase; the world is a very different place than it was in July 2021.

100% agree... but in this case, the dollar is stronger and the pound weaker than it was in July 2021. So every single US order is more profitable for them now than it was when pricing was released. That swing should have offset some or all of the shift in costs on the production end.

That being said, it's certainly reasonable for future US order periods to incrementally increase in pricing over time, maybe starting now (or soon). The currency values will normalize or swing back, and they need to future-proof their pricing model enough to make the business case viable.

 

[Lotustoronto]

I believe in Canada, the new Emira pricing with the increase will be far above 718 GTS/GT4.

A GT4 base MSRP in Canada is 122K (718 Spyder is 118K)

Emira V6 F/E (assuming 8% increase) is 130K
I know they said no increase to V6 F/E, but since Canada only received 70 allocations... this will only make 70 people happy.

Assuming that the base V6 + options will be even higher than that price, putting a base Emira V6 with F/E options in and around 140K

Nope sorry, I will wait until base pricing is revealed, but if Lotus thinks they are going to be priced in Canada/US the same as a base 992 Carrera T or a fully specced 718 Spyder with carbon buckets, full leather and Burmeister......

Even the base i4 will be above GTS 4.0 pricing - Sorry but Lotus is not competitive at all in our market, at least not to Porsche. But I will hold judgement until Q3 2023, a full 2 years since my deposit before I even know how much the car or options will cost.

What an absolutely terribly run organization.

 

[Silver Storm]

I believe in Canada, the new Emira pricing with the increase will be far above 718 GTS/GT4.

A GT4 base MSRP in Canada is 122K (718 Spyder is 118K)

Emira V6 F/E (assuming 8% increase) is 130K
I know they said no increase to V6 F/E, but since Canada only received 70 allocations... this will only make 70 people happy.

Assuming that the base V6 + options will be even higher than that price, putting a base Emira V6 with F/E options in and around 140K

Nope sorry, I will wait until base pricing is revealed, but if Lotus thinks they are going to be priced in Canada/US the same as a base 992 Carrera T or a fully specced 718 Spyder with carbon buckets, full leather and Burmeister......

Even the base i4 will be above GTS 4.0 pricing - Sorry but Lotus is not competitive at all in our market, at least not to Porsche. But I will hold judgement until Q3 2023, a full 2 years since my deposit before I even know how much the car or options will cost.

What an absolutely terribly run organization.

My understanding (and correct me if I'm wrong here) is that only VIP Porsche customers will be able to get their hands on Cayman GT4. If I come in as a new Porsche customer, I wouldn't even be able to order it even if I have the money (that's what I've been hearing and reading online). But I would have to agree with you, if the prices are in GT4 territory, then Emira would not make much sense when you can get something better for the same amount of money. I hope Lotus doesn't shoot themselves in the foot with insane price increases.

 

[Lotustoronto]

My understanding (and correct me if I'm wrong here) is that only VIP Porsche customers will be able to get their hands on Cayman GT4. If I come in as a new Porsche customer, I wouldn't even be able to order it even if I have the money (that's what I've been hearing and reading online). But I would have to agree with you, if the prices are in GT4 territory, then Emira would not make much sense when you can get something better for the same amount of money. I hope Lotus doesn't shoot themselves in the foot with insane price increases.

There is some truth to that, However, there are Porsche dealers that will place you on a list for a GT4 without being a VIP. (not anymore as I believe GT4/spyder is done production....GTS 4.0 still good) I have a 718 Spyder on order, arriving in spring, I am not a Porsche VIP. Also, you don't need to be a VIP to order a 911 992 T. Which would be less than a Base V6 Emira w/ options. Again, not competitive at all.

Since Lotus does not have market specific pricing in Canada (they just add the exchange difference from American pricing, other manufacturers don't do that in Canada) I think this will be the end of the line for Lotus to do any large amount of business in the Canadian market. 95% sure I will be out once the base pricing is announced.

 

[Lotustoronto]

 

[VL3X]

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Brutal. But I agree... the Emira V6 should not be priced anywhere near the GT4. Possibly the future Emira R or whatever they're going to call the more track-focused version, but not the FE or base spec. It's lucky to take on the Cayman GTS and wins on looks only (let's be honest). It should be priced slightly below to stay competitive IMO. Their small dealer network, lack of race proven R&D, new/inexperienced factory workers, and their attempts at modern build quality are still to be proven. And let's not forget their severe lack of communication. Then tack on a price hike after all that? Yeah.... lots will bail and never look back. I'm one of the Emira's biggest fans and even I've been seeking other options these past few months (due to all the previously listed issues, but mostly their lack of comms and poor QC with these early deliveries). Let them try to add on a price hike to the signed contracts I've had for nearly 2 years and I'll lose it.

 

[Cachaco131]

I believe in Canada, the new Emira pricing with the increase will be far above 718 GTS/GT4.

A GT4 base MSRP in Canada is 122K (718 Spyder is 118K)

Emira V6 F/E (assuming 8% increase) is 130K
I know they said no increase to V6 F/E, but since Canada only received 70 allocations... this will only make 70 people happy.

Assuming that the base V6 + options will be even higher than that price, putting a base Emira V6 with F/E options in and around 140K

Nope sorry, I will wait until base pricing is revealed, but if Lotus thinks they are going to be priced in Canada/US the same as a base 992 Carrera T or a fully specced 718 Spyder with carbon buckets, full leather and Burmeister......

Even the base i4 will be above GTS 4.0 pricing - Sorry but Lotus is not competitive at all in our market, at least not to Porsche. But I will hold judgement until Q3 2023, a full 2 years since my deposit before I even know how much the car or options will cost.

What an absolutely terribly run organization.

Not sure about Canada but here in the US many customers are paying 20-30k in ADM. Even VIP clients

 

[Lotustoronto]

Not sure about Canada but here in the US many customers are paying 20-30k in ADM. Even VIP clients

Canada doesn’t do ADM - dealer may “ask” for options spend minimum… but again we are very vigilant when it comes to advertising laws, it’s a little looser in the US with the dealers holding a bit more power than the manufacturers when it comes to ADM’s. Although the market is softening and last time I was on rennlist I did see some dealers give MSRP to local clients. Market for cars is softening. I would even look at a slightly pre-owned CPO unit with additional warranty…. Either way an Emira with growing pains should not be priced higher than the class leading mid engine competitor…. It’s built better, faster, better servicing and now going to be cheaper. Crazy isn’t it?

Oh forgot to add - 100% proven to hold its value very well.

 

[4MIR3]

Sorry... But unless you are buying used, getting a new GT4/Spyder will be near impossible without a huge ADM... production ends after June 2023 for both of them. Allocations have already been distributed. The GTS will continue… Zuffenhausen will transition to the Spyder RS and continue the 4RS until the 718 EV starts. Both RS’s will be limited to VIPs.

 

[Lotustoronto]

Sorry... But unless you are buying used, getting a new GT4/Spyder will be near impossible without a huge ADM... production ends after June 2023 for both of them. Allocations have already been distributed. The GTS will continue… Zuffenhausen will transition to the Spyder RS and continue the 4RS until the 718 EV starts.

I agree getting a new allocation right now will be very difficult- hence why I said going pre owned CPO. I am sure Lotus know this as well - but still, in Canada the 911 T is about the same price now

 

[Green]

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Wow! The Emira makes the P look so dated from a design point. Never seen a side by side but wow!

 

[benjh1028]

I was informed there is a US dealer meeting on March 7th. Hopefully an update on pricing and base configurator.

 

[Lotustoronto]

Wow! The Emira makes the P look so dated from a design point. Never seen a side by side but wow!

It's the only damn reason I am still here. It is a very good looking car.

 

[Lotustoronto]

I was informed there is a US dealer meeting on March 7th. Hopefully an update on pricing and base configurator.

They have a lot of dealer meetings I have noticed... especially for dealers that have not delivered a new Lotus vehicle in 2 years. I wonder what Lotus USA people have been doing this whole time? Working on customer service?

I suppose they have been busy creating interest free loans for the parent company at Hethel. I guess this meeting will be about how to prevent the mass exodus and refunds. Sorry for all the negative rant lately, but this company is incapable of positive news. Nothing positive for the past 2 years, since the reveal. No different option announcements or new variants. It's just been completely sad interactions and mediocrity all around. All we hear about is delays, QC issues, price increases etc... We get excited when an Emira customer announces to us that they have a car that doesn't show faults or need a new ECU. That's the most exciting news over the past 24 months..... rant over.

 

[SPoivre]

I finally got a call from my dealer today. My original delivery was for Nov/Dec 2022, IIRC. ( V6FE, ordered in April 2022). I was scheduled for the second month of FE builds/ deliveries. That got pushed out to a February build with and April delivery in late 2022. My update today was my car will be a June build with an August delivery.

I guess we’ll see. ( I don’t remember seeing anything in my email from Lotus corporate)

 

[Green]

I finally got a call from my dealer today. My original delivery was for Nov/Dec 2022, IIRC. ( V6FE, ordered in April 2022). I was scheduled for the second month of FE builds/ deliveries. That got pushed out to a February build with and April delivery in late 2022. My update today was my car will be a June build with an August delivery.

I guess we’ll see. ( I don’t remember seeing anything in my email from Lotus corporate)

Yikes I have the same order date so probably same delivery date. Summer will be over pretty much

 

[VL3X]

Spoke with my dealer today. He said he doesn't know what's going on with Lotus or this apparent dealer meeting they were supposed to have. Now they're telling him they need to go to Cali for some update meeting in March. How hard is it to set up a Zoom call? I've been in 6 virtual meetings today.. 2 of which weren't even on my calendar.

Serious question for those who've ordered new cars before.. Was the experience anything like this? My family has worked in the car biz for decades... Mom with Porsche, Audi, and MB, and my pop with Lexus for 20+ years. I've never EVER seen dealers struggle like this with their brand HQ to properly communicate updates with paying customers. This is insane.

 

[Cachaco131]

Spoke with my dealer today. He said he doesn't know what's going on with Lotus or this apparent dealer meeting they were supposed to have. Now they're telling him they need to go to Cali for some update meeting in March. How hard is it to set up a Zoom call? I've been in 6 virtual meetings today.. 2 of which weren't even on my calendar.

Serious question for those who've ordered new cars before.. Was the experience anything like this? My family has worked in the car biz for decades... Mom with Porsche, Audi, and MB, and my pop with Lexus for 20+ years. I've never EVER seen dealers struggle like this with their brand HQ to properly communicate updates with paying customers. This is insane.

My experience with Lotus purchase: I was very bored in a conference in Boston in 2010. I had tested the Elise while working in the Uk. I googled Lotus dealers in Boston and found one nearby. Ditched the conference, went to the dealer, test drove a black 2010 Elise and fell in love again. Then my friends pointed out all the bad stuff (reliability, dealers etc). I didn't care. Picked up and drove it like I stole it.

I didn't answer your question directly I guess. Objectively, every other car I've bought it's been an easy "as you would expect" experience. But every other car I bought wasn't a Lotus. I've said it before. This is a minuscule manufacturer. For some it's not an excuse, for me it is. I feel like you are buying a car from an informal family business. And I'm ok with it.

 

[DerTheDer]

Spoke with my dealer today. He said he doesn't know what's going on with Lotus or this apparent dealer meeting they were supposed to have. Now they're telling him they need to go to Cali for some update meeting in March. How hard is it to set up a Zoom call? I've been in 6 virtual meetings today.. 2 of which weren't even on my calendar.

Serious question for those who've ordered new cars before.. Was the experience anything like this? My family has worked in the car biz for decades... Mom with Porsche, Audi, and MB, and my pop with Lexus for 20+ years. I've never EVER seen dealers struggle like this with their brand HQ to properly communicate updates with paying customers. This is insane.

Never been dicked around like this before with a new car purchase no. Was a night and day experience. My money is on a US price hike, if the UK people bend over and take it, why would the USA be any different? Scummy company.

 

[Porter]

Let them try to add on a price hike to the signed contracts I've had for nearly 2 years and I'll lose it.

No price increase for FE in US, nor can I imagine a justification for one considering the exchange rate.

Post-FE, sure. But our existing FE confirmed-price queue orders should 100% be honored. If they are not, I'll be right beside you with a pitchfork. I have the order in writing with detailed spec and price, with my name, address, and confirmed order number on it.