New Emira SE announced

In the news here yesterday: the 2025 i4 Turbo SE.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/2025-lotus-emira-update-revealed/

 

[Eagle7]

Everything has changed in the last 12 months with regards to ICE vs EV, with pretty much all the manufacturers changing their plans and going back to ICE production. The rumors of the presumed death of the Toyota V6 may be greatly exaggerated.

 

[CarGuy44]

The V6 manual will be the engine to have in the distant future. It will be the engine of choice for the enthusiast. I am biased though!

 

[Ethnic6]

The V6 manual will be the engine to have in the distant future. It will be the engine of choice for the enthusiast. I am biased though!

Oh yeah, if it was a weekend car I would have gotten the V6 manual as well hands down. But I'm using my Emira as a daily and constant shifting in LA traffic is just not ideal for my knees at my age lol. So I'm excited to see what my I4 will have to offer, considering it is lighter and now faster than the V6 since it's Hp has been boosted to 400 (according to lotus webpage) I kind of want to see a drag race between the two engines at some point

 

[Jinba ittai]

Oh yeah, if it was a weekend car I would have gotten the V6 manual as well hands down. But I'm using my Emira as a daily and constant shifting in LA traffic is just not ideal for my knees at my age lol. So I'm excited to see what my I4 will have to offer, considering it is lighter and now faster than the V6 since it's Hp has been boosted to 400 (according to lotus webpage) I kind of want to see a drag race between the two engines at some point

Lotus is claiming 4.3s 0-62 for the v6 and 4.0s 0-62 for the i4, so I think you’ve got the drag race by a fair margin. I’m a sucker for a manual but thems the facts.

 

[Emira Fan]

I kind of want to see a drag race between the two engines at some point

From Lotus Spec's page on the US portal.

Will be interesting to see Car & Drivers testing results, as they typically manage to produce result better than manufactures claims. Suspect the evaluation will be much better than the AMG Demo car from 2023, with the DTC revisions and power output increase.
Based on a couple images from the Chinese cars the AMG engines max output may actually be 411 HP.

 

[Ethnic6]

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From Lotus Spec's page on the US portal.

Will be interesting to see Car & Drivers testing results, as they typically manage to produce result better than manufactures claims. Suspect the evaluation will be much better than the AMG Demo car from 2023, with the DTC revisions and power output increase.
Based on a couple images from the Chinese cars the AMG engines max output may actually be 411 HP.

Interesting indeed, I'd like to see a US i4 dyno to see if we have the same output as the chinese i4s would be pretty cool if our i4s put out 411 horses also.

 

[Steve24]

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From Lotus Spec's page on the US portal.

Will be interesting to see Car & Drivers testing results, as they typically manage to produce result better than manufactures claims. Suspect the evaluation will be much better than the AMG Demo car from 2023, with the DTC revisions and power output increase.
Based on a couple images from the Chinese cars the AMG engines max output may actually be 411 HP.

It would be a lot closer if they both had the DCT transmission.

As much as I love the manual, I do think it's a shame the V6 isn't offered with a DCT as well. THAT, in my view, would have been the one to have.

 

[Biggles of Norwich]

My 400hp I4 Emira (China version) showed 411bhp peak and 480Nm (not at the same time) last time I checked.

The I4 is quite short geared, has a descent launch control and changes gear quick. It would be hard to stick with it off the line in the V6 manual, unless the V6 had a descent power advantage (which it doesn’t). The V6 gear change isn’t the quickest IME and with it being a 6 speed, the gears are significantly longer.

Out of interest, how did the 411hp "show"? Assuming it's on the infotainment system screen, that is a software generated estimate and not a real measurement.

 

[Emira Fan]

software generated estimate and not a real measurement.

For sure it's a computation / synthetic , but interesting non the less.

We'll know more once some 'Magazine, C&R, R&T' get's their hands on a 2024 Turbo and runs a 0-60.
If they achieve better than 3.8s to 60mph the car likely has more than 400hp.

This is an interesting read on the CLA45
[https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a33925576/2020-mercedes-amg-cla45-4matic-by-the-numbers/]

The 3743-pound CLA45 the AMG M139 engine--- [launch-control-enabled 3.7-second 60-mph time,]. CLA is almost 600 lbs heavier with only 22 more hp over the 400HP lotus claim. Yes, the CLA45 is AWD - but the heavily rear biassed weight distribution should keep the Emria from its spinning wheels.
DCT and launch-control on a Turbo engine should be pretty impressive.

 

[Tomwa]

Everything has changed in the last 12 months with regards to ICE vs EV, with pretty much all the manufacturers changing their plans and going back to ICE production. The rumors of the presumed death of the Toyota V6 may be greatly exaggerated.

I think its pretty official that the 2GR is out of production. Toyota may still have committed units to Lotus, whether its New Old Stock, or the last of the production castings or what-have you. But I don't think there's going to be some "Surprise" that the Toyota V6 will actually still be available for an additional 5 years or anything.

 

[crashprash]

I think its pretty official that the 2GR is out of production. Toyota may still have committed units to Lotus, whether its New Old Stock, or the last of the production castings or what-have you. But I don't think there's going to be some "Surprise" that the Toyota V6 will actually still be available for an additional 5 years or anything.

So what happens if a blown engine needs to be fully replaced but there aren't any being made or even spares for it?

 

[Hell4Leather]

So what happens if a blown engine needs to be fully replaced but there aren't any being made or even spares for it?

A B58 should fit

 

[Tomwa]

So what happens if a blown engine needs to be fully replaced but there aren't any being made or even spares for it?

Pull one out of a Camry? Tacoma, Lexus, etc etc. It's a very well sold engine. No lack of used engines out there

 

[Porter]

I think its pretty official that the 2GR is out of production. Toyota may still have committed units to Lotus, whether its New Old Stock, or the last of the production castings or what-have you. But I don't think there's going to be some "Surprise" that the Toyota V6 will actually still be available for an additional 5 years or anything.

That's not the case. Toyota will no longer be building the 2GR in volume to put in their own cars for retail sale, which is not the same thing as the engine itself being "out of production".

Toyota will likely continue to be able to supply 2GR engines on a small batch production basis for literally decades to come, both for their own global parts supply network and also for external customers like Lotus.

 

[Tomwa]

That's not the case. Toyota will no longer be building the 2GR in volume to put in their own cars for retail sale, which is not the same thing as the engine itself being "out of production".

Toyota will likely continue to be able to supply 2GR engines on a small batch production basis for literally decades to come, both for their own global parts supply network and also for external customers like Lotus.

I don't think you have any basis to that claim any more than the opposite. The 2jz wasn't produced for "other parties" for decades to come after Toyota retired it from their fleet.

Maintaining castings, manufacturing and tooling costs money. Why would they do that if it's not at scale when their whole business is built on margins at scale?