In the news here yesterday: the 2025 i4 Turbo SE.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/2025-lotus-emira-update-revealed/
https://www.drive.com.au/news/2025-lotus-emira-update-revealed/
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Oh yeah, if it was a weekend car I would have gotten the V6 manual as well hands down. But I'm using my Emira as a daily and constant shifting in LA traffic is just not ideal for my knees at my age lol. So I'm excited to see what my I4 will have to offer, considering it is lighter and now faster than the V6 since it's Hp has been boosted to 400 (according to lotus webpage) I kind of want to see a drag race between the two engines at some pointThe V6 manual will be the engine to have in the distant future. It will be the engine of choice for the enthusiast. I am biased though!
Lotus is claiming 4.3s 0-62 for the v6 and 4.0s 0-62 for the i4, so I think you’ve got the drag race by a fair margin. I’m a sucker for a manual but thems the facts.Oh yeah, if it was a weekend car I would have gotten the V6 manual as well hands down. But I'm using my Emira as a daily and constant shifting in LA traffic is just not ideal for my knees at my age lol. So I'm excited to see what my I4 will have to offer, considering it is lighter and now faster than the V6 since it's Hp has been boosted to 400 (according to lotus webpage) I kind of want to see a drag race between the two engines at some point
I kind of want to see a drag race between the two engines at some point
Interesting indeed, I'd like to see a US i4 dyno to see if we have the same output as the chinese i4s would be pretty cool if our i4s put out 411 horses also.View attachment 53105
From Lotus Spec's page on the US portal.
Will be interesting to see Car & Drivers testing results, as they typically manage to produce result better than manufactures claims. Suspect the evaluation will be much better than the AMG Demo car from 2023, with the DTC revisions and power output increase.
Based on a couple images from the Chinese cars the AMG engines max output may actually be 411 HP.
View attachment 53105
From Lotus Spec's page on the US portal.
Will be interesting to see Car & Drivers testing results, as they typically manage to produce result better than manufactures claims. Suspect the evaluation will be much better than the AMG Demo car from 2023, with the DTC revisions and power output increase.
Based on a couple images from the Chinese cars the AMG engines max output may actually be 411 HP.
Out of interest, how did the 411hp "show"? Assuming it's on the infotainment system screen, that is a software generated estimate and not a real measurement.My 400hp I4 Emira (China version) showed 411bhp peak and 480Nm (not at the same time) last time I checked.
The I4 is quite short geared, has a descent launch control and changes gear quick. It would be hard to stick with it off the line in the V6 manual, unless the V6 had a descent power advantage (which it doesn’t). The V6 gear change isn’t the quickest IME and with it being a 6 speed, the gears are significantly longer.
For sure it's a computation / synthetic , but interesting non the less.software generated estimate and not a real measurement.
I think its pretty official that the 2GR is out of production. Toyota may still have committed units to Lotus, whether its New Old Stock, or the last of the production castings or what-have you. But I don't think there's going to be some "Surprise" that the Toyota V6 will actually still be available for an additional 5 years or anything.Everything has changed in the last 12 months with regards to ICE vs EV, with pretty much all the manufacturers changing their plans and going back to ICE production. The rumors of the presumed death of the Toyota V6 may be greatly exaggerated.
So what happens if a blown engine needs to be fully replaced but there aren't any being made or even spares for it?I think its pretty official that the 2GR is out of production. Toyota may still have committed units to Lotus, whether its New Old Stock, or the last of the production castings or what-have you. But I don't think there's going to be some "Surprise" that the Toyota V6 will actually still be available for an additional 5 years or anything.
A B58 should fitSo what happens if a blown engine needs to be fully replaced but there aren't any being made or even spares for it?
Pull one out of a Camry? Tacoma, Lexus, etc etc. It's a very well sold engine. No lack of used engines out thereSo what happens if a blown engine needs to be fully replaced but there aren't any being made or even spares for it?
That's not the case. Toyota will no longer be building the 2GR in volume to put in their own cars for retail sale, which is not the same thing as the engine itself being "out of production".I think its pretty official that the 2GR is out of production. Toyota may still have committed units to Lotus, whether its New Old Stock, or the last of the production castings or what-have you. But I don't think there's going to be some "Surprise" that the Toyota V6 will actually still be available for an additional 5 years or anything.
I don't think you have any basis to that claim any more than the opposite. The 2jz wasn't produced for "other parties" for decades to come after Toyota retired it from their fleet.That's not the case. Toyota will no longer be building the 2GR in volume to put in their own cars for retail sale, which is not the same thing as the engine itself being "out of production".
Toyota will likely continue to be able to supply 2GR engines on a small batch production basis for literally decades to come, both for their own global parts supply network and also for external customers like Lotus.
We covered this ad nauseam in this forum going back literally years. Toyota has engine production facilities all over the world, and they make engines both for their own cars and for other purposes, including for industrial and commercial customers.I don't think you have any basis to that claim any more than the opposite. The 2jz wasn't produced for "other parties" for decades to come after Toyota retired it from their fleet.
Maintaining castings, manufacturing and tooling costs money. Why would they do that if it's not at scale when their whole business is built on margins at scale?