USA/Canada Delivery Thread

[John777]

LOL, what?

I still haven't seen a demo in person or a test drive. I was willing to wait 2 years for a car but 3+ not so sure. $119k Canadian will go to ? $$$

 

[Aero]

Bad news guys... my dealer just said Oct-Dec now for the first deliveries.

Of what year? (never know way things are going)

 

[kitkat]

So the Eletre really is getting delivered before the Emira isn't it?

 

[Hell4Leather]

Just went on to the US website, 105K USD is showing in the configurator. Very, very strange.

A beautiful car, drives amazing. Never have I witnessed a debacle of a car launch like this. Remarkable.

Really, you forgot the Evora launch?

 

[John777]

Just went on to the US website, 105K USD is showing in the configurator. Very, very strange.

A beautiful car, drives amazing. Never have I witnessed a debacle of a car launch like this. Remarkable.

Canadian site still shows $119888

 

[4MIR3]

Still shows Q3 on the website:

 

[Nova]

Maybe the dealers have asked for better margins on the Emira because they have had nothing to sell for the past 2 years. For those with stand-alone facilities, there are fixed costs that have been incurred. In other words, this may not have all come down to Lotus UK's desire to make bank. US dealerships don't really care that much about long-term customer relationships because customers are not that loyal to begin with. There is a fixed amount of gross margin for each vehicle and it's a zero-sum game each time a car is sold. Each US dealer is holding a long list of depositors who are eager to get a build slot. This is an easy way for the dealers to get a premium above the previous MSRP without asking the customer to pay a "market adjustment". The dealers may have demanded this of Lotus, promising that they'll keep the order books filled at the higher price, and Lotus UK was guilted into taking one for the team and assume the blame.

In the end, the customer pays for everything.

 

[kitkat]

Still shows Q3 on the website:

Welcome to the comms train!

Lotus HQ => Lotus USA => Lotus Dealers => Some Prospective Lotus Customers => Forums => Confused Prospective Lotus Customers

 

[kitkat]

Maybe the dealers have asked for better margins on the Emira because they have had nothing to sell for the past 2 years. For those with stand-alone facilities, there are fixed costs that have been incurred. In other words, this may not have all come down to Lotus UK's desire to make bank. US dealerships don't really care that much about long-term customer relationships because customers are not that loyal to begin with. There is a fixed amount of gross margin for each vehicle and it's a zero-sum game each time a car is sold. Each US dealer is holding a long list of depositors who are eager to get a build slot. This is an easy way for the dealers to get a premium above the previous MSRP without asking the customer to pay a "market adjustment". The dealers may have demanded this of Lotus, promising that they'll keep the order books filled at the higher price, and Lotus UK was guilted into taking one for the team and assume the blame.

In the end, the customer pays for everything.

May as well just mark them up then.

 

[MIGZ]

At the new price point what other cars would folks consider ?

 

[kitkat]

At the new price point what other cars would folks consider ?

718 GT4, but realistically, both that and the Emira seem to be build from pure unobtainium.

 

[scarzie]

Such unbelievable bullshit. Sure my spec has been locked in for almost a year, can't make any changes on my end, but Lotus is allowed to jack the price by 10+%

 

[Nova]

May as well just mark them up then.

Yea, but many dealers promised "MSRP" and wrote that on the deposit forms that customers signed.

 

[Nova]

At the new price point what other cars would folks consider ?

I may go back to waiting for a C63 with the hybrid drivetrain. It'll be heavy, and no one will give it a second look, but I'll enjoy it nonetheless. The only reason I was considering a 2 door sports car is because it's a Lotus and looks like a million bucks. I am not interested in any of its contemporaries.

 

[John777]

Yea, but many dealers promised "MSRP" and wrote that on the deposit forms that customers signed.

My bill of sale shows deposit amount $5k then #160 or so then "subject to availability"

 

[Hell4Leather]

May as well just mark them up then.

Dealers have a decent loyalty following especially in the higher end. Remember service is a product with excellent margins. And MANY people at this price point swap out every 2 years or so. The dealer gets good money on the resale/consignment. It’s not in their best interest to squeeze every drop out of somebody. Social media would crush them.

 

[MIGZ]

The real challenge here which makes a huge difference are those cars where a deposit was provided summer of 21 and a FE order confirmed in 22.

That to me is a firm order with the factory.

The other batch are people way down on a the list who still do not have a confirmed order. The dealer is holding your money because they still have not been able to place an order.

At this point it should be clear who is getting a FE car and who is not.

I would think that those who committed early and secured a FE should have the price respected.

 

[FlyNavy01]

So a 10.6% price increase in the US when UK got 8%, and that's including the favorable exchange rate right now. I'm not sure Lotus could slap their customers across the face more times if they tried. Unless they suddenly announced no more manual transmissions due to supply chain shortages or something even more absurd. I've been holding strong for a very long time, but now dangerously teetering on the edge of canceling and never considering Lotus again... sigh

 

[KCMO68_510]

The real challenge here which makes a huge difference are those cars where a deposit was provided summer of 21 and a FE order confirmed in 22.

That to me is a firm order with the factory.

The other batch are people way down on a the list who still do not have a confirmed order. The dealer is holding your money because they still have not been able to place an order.

At this point it should be clear who is getting a FE car and who is not.

I would think that those who committed early and secured a FE should have the price respected.

I agree with you if you have a confirmed contract that states the exact price of purchase and is signed by both you and the dealer.
Anything outside of that is really up to the Dealer and Lotus on how they want to handle it.

 

[Nova]

The real challenge here which makes a huge difference are those cars where a deposit was provided summer of 21 and a FE order confirmed in 22.

That to me is a firm order with the factory.

The other batch are people way down on a the list who still do not have a confirmed order. The dealer is holding your money because they still have not been able to place an order.

At this point it should be clear who is getting a FE car and who is not.

I would think that those who committed early and secured a FE should have the price respected.

A lot of things should have been but were not. If what we've been told is true, that the 700 FE cars are all that NA will get, then I don't understand the purpose of increasing V6 FE prices - to give Lotus more room to increase the price on other variants? That doesn't make sense because all they have to do is mark that model as "Sold Out".