USA/Canada Delivery Thread

[scc.131.fe]

I wasn’t kidding when I said I heard that Naples delivered a car to a customer yesterday…

We know... it just wasn't to any of us, so we don't know.

 

[Pegasi]

Alright so now we know sales are imminent, how do we figure out what went into the last software updates to the car and if they’re related to emissions or not — and what the impact will be if any.

I think the lot of us about to put down $100K deserve to know.

My new S650 Mustang has the new twin throttle body. The word on the street is that Ford needed that to trap fumes when you turned the car off so the fumes doesn't escape into the atmosphere. There are carbon traps in the throttle body intakes. I know nothing about emissions but just giving an example of the different things that have to be regulated which some have nothing to do with power. At this point I don't even want to know what Lotus has done. As long as there isn't a body in the front boot, I am good.

 

[Nova]

I wasn’t kidding when I said I heard that Naples delivered a car to a customer yesterday…

Yea, I know what you heard, but it's all a game of telephone at this point. I'm not sure what actually happened there. Maybe Naples agreed to let a customer take a car home without 100% completed paperwork? Or the paperwork was filled out but not signed? Who knows? It all depends on what the definition of "delivered" is.

 

[kitkat]

So it's raining and I don't want to ride bicycles or want to engage in the politics debate here -- so instead I've been analyzing the exact test result numbers in EPA filing that was issued October 27 2023 and then the CARB certification data that was approved on January 29 2024

Emissions Type	EPA Filing	CARB EO Filing	Max for CA LEV3 ULEV125
NMOG + NOx	0.054 g/mi	0.054 g/mi	0.125 g/mi
CO	0.6 g/mi	0.65 g/mi	2.1 g/mi
PM	0.000 g/mi	0.0003 g/mi	0.003 g/mi

I was initially worried about either some detuning of power or throttle response via tip in/tip out transient emissions but the numbers that the EPA approved the vehicle at and the numbers that CARB approved the vehicle at are exactly the same with the exception that some numbers are rounded and some are not. I don't see any evidence they had to make any sort of changes to the tuning in order to get emissions under control anywhere.

I'm thinking if there were changes to software they don't affect performance or emissions at all. Pretty sure all the worry and the rumor mill about updates being needed to pass emissions are all bullshit and it just takes time for the wheels of bureaucracy to turn.

 

[KCMO68_510]

So it's raining and I don't want to ride bicycles or want to engage in the politics debate here -- so instead I've been analyzing the exact test result numbers in EPA filing that was issued October 27 2023 and then the CARB certification data that was approved on January 29 2024

Emissions Type	EPA Filing	CARB EO Filing	Max for CA LEV3 ULEV125
NMOG + NOx	0.054 g/mi	0.054 g/mi	0.125 g/mi
CO	0.6 g/mi	0.65 g/mi	2.1 g/mi
PM	0.000 g/mi	0.0003 g/mi	0.003 g/mi

I was initially worried about either some detuning of power or throttle response via tip in/tip out transient emissions but the numbers that the EPA approved the vehicle at and the numbers that CARB approved the vehicle at are exactly the same with the exception that some numbers are rounded and some are not. I don't see any evidence they had to make any sort of changes to the tuning in order to get emissions under control anywhere.

I'm thinking if there were changes to software they don't affect performance or emissions at all. Pretty sure all the worry and the rumor mill about updates being needed to pass emissions are all bullshit and it just takes time for the wheels of bureaucracy to turn.

Great info.

Kind of analysis someone at CARB could do...

 

[brainf18]

So it's raining and I don't want to ride bicycles or want to engage in the politics debate here -- so instead I've been analyzing the exact test result numbers in EPA filing that was issued October 27 2023 and then the CARB certification data that was approved on January 29 2024

Emissions Type	EPA Filing	CARB EO Filing	Max for CA LEV3 ULEV125
NMOG + NOx	0.054 g/mi	0.054 g/mi	0.125 g/mi
CO	0.6 g/mi	0.65 g/mi	2.1 g/mi
PM	0.000 g/mi	0.0003 g/mi	0.003 g/mi

I was initially worried about either some detuning of power or throttle response via tip in/tip out transient emissions but the numbers that the EPA approved the vehicle at and the numbers that CARB approved the vehicle at are exactly the same with the exception that some numbers are rounded and some are not. I don't see any evidence they had to make any sort of changes to the tuning in order to get emissions under control anywhere.

I'm thinking if there were changes to software they don't affect performance or emissions at all. Pretty sure all the worry and the rumor mill about updates being needed to pass emissions are all bullshit and it just takes time for the wheels of bureaucracy to turn.

Respect!!! Doing my part for 500!

 

[Deeznuss]

PRICE DROP?
Last week Lotus Emira V6 FE 2.0 was $105,400 on the website. Price on my 2/17/24 invoice $105,400. Today’s Lotus website shows $104,500.

 

[Gprodigy]

PRICE DROP?
Last week Lotus Emira V6 FE 2.0 was $105,400 on the website. Price on my 2/17/24 invoice $105,400. Today’s Lotus website shows $104,500.

so everyone with a v6 gets $1000 off during pickup?

 

[drjazzsk]

PRICE DROP?
Last week Lotus Emira V6 FE 2.0 was $105,400 on the website. Price on my 2/17/24 invoice $105,400. Today’s Lotus website shows $104,500.

Odd, my side still shows 105,400, but the only difference since yesterday was not charging for Alcantara steering wheel. Seems the website isn't consistent.

 

[Deeznuss]

Odd, my side still shows 105,400, but the only difference since yesterday was not charging for Alcantara steering wheel. Seems the website isn't consistent.

Seems like the 5 and the 4 got flipped around. Weird.

 

[drjazzsk]

Seems like the 5 and the 4 got flipped around. Weird.

Or its kind of like airline flight pricing, can depend on day to day, hour to hour etc LOL

 

[Fasttoys]

I was not talking politics, frustration of the slowness. I am from California Silicon V is my HQ , know the Governor G-N very well. I love it, it’s just the fact that EPA is very slow and the bureaucracy is understatement takes years to decide anything in the state, G-N gets frustrated too. My car is coming from California .

Back to the emissions:
I know Lotus is at fault too & supply chain issues on getting these to the USA.. Truly the engine on the Emira is no different than the Evora, 400 & I am sure the GT it’s all ECU mapping to gain the small bump. This should be an easy approval especially since the Emira will end production in the next 3 years before the very aggressive EPA laws hit.

 

[John777]

Gonn be a rough night tonight trying 2 sleep

Gonn be a rough night tonight trying 2 sleep

Your Ferrari California would ease my mind and let me sleep. Lucky!

 

[Fasttoys]

This coming week will be very interesting I hope we all start getting are cars soon.

 

[Newguy1354]

Or its kind of like airline flight pricing, can depend on day to day, hour to hour etc LOL

They're going to use Wendy's dynamic daily pricing model.

 

[brainf18]

Or its kind of like airline flight pricing, can depend on day to day, hour to hour etc LOL

No way Lotus is that sophisticated.

 

[Still gonna send it...]

So it's raining and I don't want to ride bicycles or want to engage in the politics debate here -- so instead I've been analyzing the exact test result numbers in EPA filing that was issued October 27 2023 and then the CARB certification data that was approved on January 29 2024

Emissions Type	EPA Filing	CARB EO Filing	Max for CA LEV3 ULEV125
NMOG + NOx	0.054 g/mi	0.054 g/mi	0.125 g/mi
CO	0.6 g/mi	0.65 g/mi	2.1 g/mi
PM	0.000 g/mi	0.0003 g/mi	0.003 g/mi

I was initially worried about either some detuning of power or throttle response via tip in/tip out transient emissions but the numbers that the EPA approved the vehicle at and the numbers that CARB approved the vehicle at are exactly the same with the exception that some numbers are rounded and some are not. I don't see any evidence they had to make any sort of changes to the tuning in order to get emissions under control anywhere.

I'm thinking if there were changes to software they don't affect performance or emissions at all. Pretty sure all the worry and the rumor mill about updates being needed to pass emissions are all bullshit and it just takes time for the wheels of bureaucracy to turn.

Yes, lets hope so! I wonder if the cars will even need a reflash after all? Hopefully lotus and/or dealers will be transparent about the process.

 

[Hell4Leather]

So it's raining and I don't want to ride bicycles or want to engage in the politics debate here -- so instead I've been analyzing the exact test result numbers in EPA filing that was issued October 27 2023 and then the CARB certification data that was approved on January 29 2024

Emissions Type	EPA Filing	CARB EO Filing	Max for CA LEV3 ULEV125
NMOG + NOx	0.054 g/mi	0.054 g/mi	0.125 g/mi
CO	0.6 g/mi	0.65 g/mi	2.1 g/mi
PM	0.000 g/mi	0.0003 g/mi	0.003 g/mi

I was initially worried about either some detuning of power or throttle response via tip in/tip out transient emissions but the numbers that the EPA approved the vehicle at and the numbers that CARB approved the vehicle at are exactly the same with the exception that some numbers are rounded and some are not. I don't see any evidence they had to make any sort of changes to the tuning in order to get emissions under control anywhere.

I'm thinking if there were changes to software they don't affect performance or emissions at all. Pretty sure all the worry and the rumor mill about updates being needed to pass emissions are all bullshit and it just takes time for the wheels of bureaucracy to turn.

Yea, I have a sneaky suspicion it was for something stupid like how sensitive the computer is to detecting a evap leak if the filler cap isn’t closed all the way or anything mundane like that.

 

[Rupes]

Hopefully lotus and/or dealers will be transparent about the process.

New here?

 

[Pegasi]

Hey everybody, go to the "post your spec thread" and re-post / post your spec. I want to know what everyone is getting. I feel like I know everyone here. Let's get this party started.