USA/Canada Delivery Thread

[GrahamClark_60-68]

@Nova have lost track, sorry. Is your power steering pump now replaced and if so, what was your turnaround time on that repair?

 

[dgrace]

On a slightly different subject, and considering my delivery is imminent, I was curious about how others have handled the cash delivery aspect, whether for a down payment or full payment. Wondering if I should wire the money ahead of time or arrive with a cashier's check. I will not have had a chance to see the car until I arrive, as I'm currently out of town, and want to pick up the car the same day I arrive, so I can quickly deliver it to the PPF shop. Having some trepidations about wiring the money ahead of time (essentially paying for something I haven't seen) and other trepidations about carrying around a large cashier's check (basically cash). Any thoughts from those more experienced in this regard?

I just did an ACH transfer during bank business hours. The dealer confirmed receipt within about 5 minutes. A wire can take a day or 2.

 

[Nova]

Does anyone know the manufacturer / part number of the Emira steering pumps?

On the Evora it was the Toyota 44310-07040. I would expect the Emira to use the same pump. I could only find the Emira power steering fluid reservoir part number of 44360-33040, which has been replaced with Toyota part number 44360-06030, and 44360-06030 is used on the same Toyota cars as steering pump 44310-07040.

 

[Nova]

@Nova have lost track, sorry. Is your power steering pump now replaced and if so, what was your turnaround time on that repair?

It took about a week.

 

[GrahamClark_60-68]

It took about a week.

Thanks. Not terrible I guess, given the possibilities here. Do we have any indications these failures have been more prevalent on earlier build cars/1.0s, and/or cars that sat for months waiting for CARB approval?

 

[Lotustoronto]

On the Evora it was the Toyota 44310-07040. I would expect the Emira to use the same pump. I could only find the Emira power steering fluid reservoir part number of 44360-33040, which has been replaced with Toyota part number 44360-06030, and 44360-06030 is used on the same Toyota cars as steering pump 44310-07040.

Could your dealer not confirm it is a Toyota OEM part? If it fails on my car I wonder if it would make sense to fit the Toyota unit, (if it is not one already) oppose to the Chinese version that may be coming defected from factory?

 

[Nova]

Could your dealer not confirm it is a Toyota OEM part? If it fails on my car I wonder if it would make sense to fit the Toyota unit, (if it is not one already) oppose to the Chinese version that may be coming defected from factory?

I don't think they are allowed to tell me that... I may be able to get it out of the tech if I was able to talk shop with him, but the dealer I purchased from is 4.5 hours away from me, so...

Next time I get a chance to look at the underside of the engine - which is this weekend if all goes well, I'll take a look at the pump they put in.

 

[Nova]

Thanks. Not terrible I guess, given the possibilities here. Do we have any indications these failures have been more prevalent on earlier build cars/1.0s, and/or cars that sat for months waiting for CARB approval?

I don't think we would know...

Remember, the factory delivery cars were sorted before being delivered. The delivery by UK dealers were likely also fixed prior to delivery. The non-CARB state cars also had ample chance to be fixed before being delivered. The only reason we are finding out about the steering/AC failures *now* is because we are closely tracking the CARB state cars and the dealers are letting us know when they encounter delays due to issues.

 

[Dr.JDK]

Could your dealer not confirm it is a Toyota OEM part? If it fails on my car I wonder if it would make sense to fit the Toyota unit, (if it is not one already) oppose to the Chinese version that may be coming defected from factory?

It should be a Toyota OEM part. See this thread: https://www.emiraforum.com/threads/lack-of-power-steering-on-day-one.3099/page-5
I was told that this specific part is available in Lotus USA headquarters in Michigan. They will next day freight it to my dealer and get it fixed ASAP. My dealer has seen 3-4/50 cars they have been delivered with the same issue.
I asked about 40-50 emira owners in China, they all suggested it was a common issue from first batch and there was a recall on the steering pump. I also asked if the failure is due to the use of Geely parts. They laughed at me by saying no car in Geely and Lynk & co uses hydraulic steering in their fleet. So I guess mostly likely it is a Toyota part. Something went wrong in the manufacturing process.

 

[VL3X]

From what I've been told by a contact on the assembly line, the problem isn't with the actual pump, but something to do with the lines. Lotus is well aware of the issue and has been for the last year.

 

[Porter]

On the Evora it was the Toyota 44310-07040. I would expect the Emira to use the same pump. I could only find the Emira power steering fluid reservoir part number of 44360-33040, which has been replaced with Toyota part number 44360-06030, and 44360-06030 is used on the same Toyota cars as steering pump 44310-07040.

I wouldn't make that assumption without verifying. They've changed a number of things on the Emira that were unexpected, and with the PS problems they've had on these cars, the pump might be one of them. I'm not saying it's a non-Toyota pump, I'm just saying it might be a different one than the one used on the Evora.

 

[Still gonna send it...]

From what I've been told by a contact on the assembly line, the problem isn't with the actual pump, but something to do with the lines. Lotus is well aware of the issue and has been for the last year.

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That sounds probable. A line issue might mean a blockage, which cause a few problems. There may not be fluid to returning to the pump and damage could occur due it spinning without fluid. Also, if the blockage is on the high pressure side, a failure could occur in the pump from too much pressure build up. If it is indeed an OEM Toyota pump, I would say it is highly unlikely that the pumps themselves are failing at such a high rate without some other related problem. It's pretty simple part and they are usually good for 100,000s of miles.

 

[Dr.JDK]

I wouldn't make that assumption without verifying. They've changed a number of things on the Emira that were unexpected, and with the PS problems they've had on these cars, the pump might be one of them. I'm not saying it's a non-Toyota pump, I'm just saying it might be a different one than the one used on the Evora.

Emira Issues - from final production cars

This table summarises known issues with production dealer demo and customer cars reported by the owner or someone test driving the demo car. This is for faults, not perceived shortcomings in the design. The purpose of this thread is for reporting issues, clarifying what the issues are and how...

www.emiraforum.com

see post #9. Someone disassembled the part and looked at it. It is indeed a Toyota part.

That sounds probable. A line issue might mean a blockage, which cause a few problems. There may not be fluid to returning to the pump and damage could occur due it spinning without fluid. Also, if the blockage is on the high pressure side, a failure could occur in the pump from too much pressure build up. If it is indeed an OEM Toyota pump, I would say it is highly unlikely that the pumps themselves are failing at such a high rate without some other related problem. It's pretty simple part and they are usually good for 100,000s of miles.

The line could be a problem, or not. It is a myth. I talked to many (40-50) Emira owners who had the steering pump issue, they all have the steering pump replaced once or twice, and the issue were eventually gone. From that perspective, a working steering pump will solve the issue without changing the line.

 

[Porter]

see post #9. Someone disassembled the part and looked at it. It is indeed a Toyota part.

What I was saying is that it might not be the same exact pump part # that was used on the Evora. Not that it wasn't a Toyota pump.

 

[Hapkin]

Does anyone have high performance Lotus shop near Claremont neighborhood or Los Angeles? Need to add RBF or Motul brake fluid

 

[VL3X]

Does anyone have high performance Lotus shop near Claremont neighborhood or Los Angeles? Need to add RBF or Motul brake fluid

Brake fluid is super easy to do yourself with a cheap power bleeder on these cars. The clutch fluid, however, is a PITA due to the bleeder position on the front side of the motor/up against the firewall). Hopefully it's more accessible on the Emira than the Evora.

 

[seriously]

Brake fluid is super easy to do yourself with a cheap power bleeder on these cars. The clutch fluid, however, is a PITA due to the bleeder position on the front side of the motor/up against the firewall). Hopefully it's more accessible on the Emira than the Evora.

I think any performance shop should be able to handle it if you don't want to do all the bleeding, etc. It's not super specific.

 

[seriously]

Emira Issues - from final production cars

This table summarises known issues with production dealer demo and customer cars reported by the owner or someone test driving the demo car. This is for faults, not perceived shortcomings in the design. The purpose of this thread is for reporting issues, clarifying what the issues are and how...

www.emiraforum.com

see post #9. Someone disassembled the part and looked at it. It is indeed a Toyota part.

The line could be a problem, or not. It is a myth. I talked to many (40-50) Emira owners who had the steering pump issue, they all have the steering pump replaced once or twice, and the issue were eventually gone. From that perspective, a working steering pump will solve the issue without changing the line.

40-50! I had no idea so many people had this issue.... assuming the actual number is much higher than people you connected with.

 

[@Life411]

I believe Lotus of DC and Lotus of Washington DC is one in the same. In fact, they are located in Maryland.

Thanks for the catch. Updated.

 

[Hell4Leather]

For all those that just recently submitted and received their cars. I think people are calling them FE 2.5? How long has your wait been from the time you submitted the build to the factory to delivery? I’m assuming that the factory running at full speed is churning them out.